Sydney Stadiums Rennovations

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Gunner" data-cid="572573" data-time="1460716979">
The anti sports stadia brigade do my head in. 
The amount of bloody whinging that went on up here when Okara Park was upgraded and dragged itself out of the Jurassic period was mind boggling. Yet I didn't see nor hear any complaints when the same council spent truckloads of money on a new library. 
It is a building I have never set foot in, I have no need to. But I'm happy for Whangarei to have this flash new library as I realise it's an important part of society - for some people. Am I going to cry about my rates being spent on it, even though I've never been there, or plan on going there? No. 
What's my point? 
Well, I'm most certainly over generalising here, but it'd be nice if people with interests other than sports in this country could look beyond themselves and accept that a modern sports stadium is an important part of a City's culture, just like a bloody library or theatre is, so pull your head in. 
Sorry rant over, back on topic... 
Good on Aussie for having their shit sorted with their stadiums. 
Maybe our politicians should take notes on how to get shit done!</blockquote>
There was actually moaning about building a new library...what's wrong with the current one, spend the money elsewhere, no one ever uses it etc (I use the library a lot)...many of the arguments very much the same as the Stadium, just replace the word stadium with library (even Hundertwasser) I read an article someone posted about the upgrade to Okara the first time, and the arguments were the same then too. 
People always love to get on the soapbox and claim they speak for us all. 
At Dogmeat...well Albany is an interesting case, I think it is an area really struggling with its own identity and having a team that struggles with the resources they have probably doesn't help either.

No Quarter

Albany is a fail because nobody wants to go out there due to the ridiculous traffic problems in and out of the ground. Even when it's half full it takes hours to get out after the match. Plus there are no public transport options. It's bus, bus or bus through the heavy traffic on the harbour bridge. Realistically the majority of Aucklanders just cannot make it to the ground on weekdays so weekends is the only time you can hold anything, and then you have to allocate an extra few hours of your day to account for traffic. 
Eden Park at least has a decent rail link which makes it at least a viable option, but again it is multiple trains for anyone not in West Auckland. 
The Waterfront stadium has been a big success in Wellington due largely to its location. I don't see why Auckland couldn't have something similar.

taniwharugby

I've never had issues with traffic, but then aside from the Chiefs/Blues in 1997 and AB/Samoa in 99, I've only been to provincial stuff there so numbers were not huge.

hydro11

These are the 2016 fixtures at the Aviva Stadium:
 
7th Feb. 2016 Ireland v Wales (15.00hrs)
12th Mar. 2016 Ireland v Italy (13.30hrs)
19th Mar. 2016 Ireland v Scotland (17.00hrs)
25th Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Switzerland (19:45hrs)
29th Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Slovakia (19:45hrs)
2nd Apr. 2016 Leinster v Munster (17:30hrs)
8th May 2016 Ulster Bank League Final 
14th May 2016 FAI Junior & Intermediate Cup Finals
27th May 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Netherlands
3rd Sept. 2016 Boston College v Georgia Tech
6th Oct. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Georgia
6th Nov. 2016 FAI Cup Finals 2016
12th Nov. 2016 Ireland v Canada
19th Nov. 2016 Ireland v New Zealand
26th Nov. 2016 Ireland v Australia
 
That's it. The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland. It would get far better used than the Aviva with the Warriors and Blues as regular tenants.

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="572942" data-time="1460857852">The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland.</blockquote> New Zealand couldn't afford it?

Unco

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="572942" data-time="1460857852">
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These are the 2016 fixtures at the Aviva Stadium:
 
7th Feb. 2016 Ireland v Wales (15.00hrs)
12th Mar. 2016 Ireland v Italy (13.30hrs)
19th Mar. 2016 Ireland v Scotland (17.00hrs)
25th Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Switzerland (19:45hrs)
29th Mar. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Slovakia (19:45hrs)
2nd Apr. 2016 Leinster v Munster (17:30hrs)
8th May 2016 Ulster Bank League Final 
14th May 2016 FAI Junior & Intermediate Cup Finals
27th May 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Netherlands
3rd Sept. 2016 Boston College v Georgia Tech
6th Oct. 2016 Rep. of Ireland v Georgia
6th Nov. 2016 FAI Cup Finals 2016
12th Nov. 2016 Ireland v Canada
19th Nov. 2016 Ireland v New Zealand
26th Nov. 2016 Ireland v Australia
 
That's it. The stadium did cost $700,000 million. I don't see why something like that couldn't be built in Auckland. It would get far better used than the Aviva with the Warriors and Blues as regular tenants.
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$700 billion for a 50k seating stadium?!

Bones

A lot of those are international matches. I'd imagine they sell out a lot better than plain old warriors/blues. Plus Ireland's population is a lot more condensed.

Frye

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="572951" data-time="1460860084">
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--$700,000 million
 
New Zealand couldn't afford it?
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That's only about $150K per person. What's the problem?

dogmeat

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="572917" data-time="1460840663">
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Albany is a fail because nobody wants to go out there due to the ridiculous traffic problems in and out of the ground. Even when it's half full it takes hours to get out after the match. Plus there are no public transport options. It's bus, bus or bus through the heavy traffic on the harbour bridge. Realistically the majority of Aucklanders just cannot make it to the ground on weekdays so weekends is the only time you can hold anything, and then you have to allocate an extra few hours of your day to account for traffic. 
Eden Park at least has a decent rail link which makes it at least a viable option, but again it is multiple trains for anyone not in West Auckland. 
The Waterfront stadium has been a big success in Wellington due largely to its location. I don't see why Auckland couldn't have something similar.
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I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument.
 
However how many times have you been to Albany? By car I can be home 15 minutes after leaving the ground (when it's full) and I live Northcotr Point so effectively the same journey as the CBD
 
I reckon you could be in Pukekohe an hour after the game finishes.
 
It always seems to me that the criticism of Albanys location (<15kms from Queen St) is led by people who have never made the journey.
 
The Harbour Bridge handle 200K vehicles/day. Are you seriously saying the 30K at the stadium has that much of an impacT

taniwharugby

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="573017" data-time="1460882351">
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I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument.
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it's not ridiculous, they made a movie based around it FFS!

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="573017" data-time="1460882351">I'm actually not trying to defend Albany. I only used it to rebut the ridiculous "if you build it they will come" argument. 
However how many times have you been to Albany? By car I can be home 15 minutes after leaving the ground (when it's full) and I live Northcotr Point so effectively the same journey as the CBD 
I reckon you could be in Pukekohe an hour after the game finishes. 
It always seems to me that the criticism of Albanys location (<15kms from Queen St) is led by people who have never made the journey. 
The Harbour Bridge handle 200K vehicles/day. Are you seriously saying the 30K at the stadium has that much of an impacT</blockquote>
 
My comment was based on the traffic chaos surrounding the U20 Soccer WC. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/68992441/Traffic-chaos-leaves-world-football-fans-disappointed">http://i.stuff.co.nz/68992441/Traffic-chaos-leaves-world-football-fans-disappointed</a> 
I wonder what was different when you went? Because it was farking chaos for the Soccer, largely due to the lack of public transport options meaning the majority of people took their cars. Albany isn't that far away if there is no traffic on the road, but as soon as traffic starts building it can turn into a gridlock pretty quickly. Trying to get out there during peak hour traffic after work on a weekday is not something I'm going to attempt.

Smudge

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="572978" data-time="1460873913">
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That's only about $150K per person. What's the problem?
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Drop the K...

dogmeat

Were you at the game or did you buy into the customary media Albany is in Siberia BS
 
From the Herald article you quoted
 
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Auckland police Inspector Cornell Kluessein said they had received no complaints about traffic or traffic management.
He said traffic flow for the event was "pretty good", and typical of the kind of "run-of-the-mill traffic you get every day of the week".it reads like a typical Gra
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Coz otherwise it reads like a typical Granny Herald beat up i.e. one whinging bastard is quoted and there is no substance
 
Although TBF my recollection was this particular match was a fuck up and there was another significant event In Albany at the same timer -n hard though that is to believe.
 
Like I said Ive been there numerous times to sold out events - have parked within 10 mins walk and been home within 2o minutes.
Its a digression anyway, the mootn is whether Akl needs can afford or should have a stadium in the CBD

hydro11

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="572951" data-time="1460860084">
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New Zealand couldn't afford it?
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We can afford it. It is just about priorities. The NSW State Government can apparently spend 1.6 billion on stadia. How large is their budget?
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="572953" data-time="1460861136">
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$700 billion for a 50k seating stadium?!
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Million, yeah. It's a little on the high side but it is what things cost. Perth Stadium is 800 mill Australian. New Tottenham stadium will probably come out about the same. Construction costs in New Zealand are higher though. The Waterfront Stadium originally mooted by Labour was going to cost 500-900 million. The Eden Park redevelopment was $256 million.
 
You could fund it by:
 
$100 million from NZ government
$100 million from Auckland council
Sell some 15 year passes to the stadium
The Warriors, Blues and NZRU would all contribute.
Albany, Mt Smart and Eden Park would all be sold for development.
Contributions from community trusts
 
If that wouldn't raise enough money then I guess it doesn't happen.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="572974" data-time="1460872653">
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A lot of those are international matches. I'd imagine they sell out a lot better than plain old warriors/blues. Plus Ireland's population is a lot more condensed.
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That's true but I would be almost certain that any stadium in Auckland would get a higher combined attendance than the Aviva.

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Smudge" data-cid="573026" data-time="1460884418">
Drop the K...</blockquote>
Not at $700,000,000,000 as quoted. <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="572942" data-time="1460857852">
The stadium did cost $700,000 million.</blockquote>
 
I think there was an error in an order of magnitude or 3. 
You know jokes tend to be less funny when you have to explain the punchline. And takes away the fun of taking the piss for a typo.

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="573028" data-time="1460884672">Were you at the game or did you buy into the customary media Albany is in Siberia BS 
From the Herald article you quoted 
Coz otherwise it reads like a typical Granny Herald beat up i.e. one whinging bastard is quoted and there is no substance 
Although TBF my recollection was this particular match was a fuck up and there was another significant event In Albany at the same timer -n hard though that is to believe. 
Like I said Ive been there numerous times to sold out events - have parked within 10 mins walk and been home within 2o minutes. 
Its a digression anyway, the mootn is whether Akl needs can afford or should have a stadium in the CBD</blockquote>
 
Fair enough, you've obviously had a lot more experience going to the stadium then me. I think the location does put anyone south of the bridge off though.

mariner4life

I've been to Albany once. Was staying in One Tree Hill, and the ground was packed (Japan v France in the World Cup). We drove, and didn't have a problem getting in or out afterwards. Certainly no worse than any other ground i have been to. Travel time wasn't that bad from memory.

The Silver Fern

Sydney Stadiums Rennovations