NCAA Slavery gooooorn
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Ok so I haven't read this but based on the vibe I'm getting from the thread what does this mean for US college sports then? Do they now completely ditch the pretence of education and just have bolt-on professional sports programs? If hundreds upon hundreds of student athletes are recruited by colleges and rewarded monetarily for playing for said colleges, with education a distant second, what does this mean for them when the majority don't make it to to the Major Leagues? Especially in a sport like American Football where the only tangible pro options are the NFL and CFL?
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Exactly
College sports will be become irrelevant if the emphasis isn’t on education + sport
May as well be a feeder / farm system for the professional governing bodies
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@mikethesnow said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
Exactly
College sports will be become irrelevant if the emphasis isn’t on education + sport
May as well be a feeder / farm system for the professional governing bodies
For the big Div 1s it's not about education anyway. Its about using free labour from the ghetto to.make an enormous amount of money.
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@canefan said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
It might just mean that the highest profile players can make some money from being a college sports star. Whether that means a salary or not I don't know. I don't expect the colleges to want to put them on the payroll
It should allow them to sign endorsement deals etc which could mean that they get paid by the sponsors and perhaps stay longer?
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Playing devils advocate....putting aside the lack of remuneration for college players whilst at college, they're getting an education which might enable them into a successful career outside of sports, and if they're good enough they'll make millions in the pro leagues. So the schools make mega bucks? So what? The players don't have to go there do they? They can take their chances declaring straight from HS, or go and make some coin in overseas leagues in basketball, baseball and hockey. Or they cruise through college whilst being developed by elite programs funded by their on-field efforts. What a nightmare choice for a talented young sportsperson.
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@shark for the top end teams it's become apparent that because so much is put into their sports, study on a normal student level is almost impossible. If they're a walk on then they probably get the degree and that argument holds water. But if they are a star it's all about sport and not a lot of study going on. The college is the only winner when it comes to the stallion type players. All these kids can hope for is national exposure.
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Are there any stats or studies on the guys (obviously the vast majority) who don’t make it to the pros? Are they looked after or thrown on the scrap heap?
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@raznomore said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
@shark for the top end teams it's become apparent that because so much is put into their sports, study on a normal student level is almost impossible. If they're a walk on then they probably get the degree and that argument holds water. But if they are a star it's all about sport and not a lot of study going on. The college is the only winner when it comes to the stallion type players. All these kids can hope for is national exposure.
That's an important distinction. With the end of the one and done soon, and the rise of the G league and the establishment of the ANBL as a viable alternative for young players hoping to make it to the NBA, more and more of those top players may choose to bypass college
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I’m a big supporter of paying a set amount (say $40-$50000) but still having some pretty stringent rules to maintain some of the “integrity”.
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@mariner4life said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
The US Supreme court have taken the first steps to finally crushing the ridiculous NCAA rules around player payments that have ruined the lives of some student athletes, while at the same time generating staggering amounts of money for Universities, Coaches, Officials, and the NCAA themselves.
Sure in two sports (men's football and basketball) the schools disproportionately benefit from the efforts of the students... sure. But ruined their life?
If your lot in life is a full-ride scholarship (tuition, meals, board), the ability to play a sport you enjoy at a high level for up to four years and the chance to enjoy whatever profile that comes with being a semi-famous athlete on campus at one of these schools - then I wish my time at university was similarly ruined.
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@rotated said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
@mariner4life said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
The US Supreme court have taken the first steps to finally crushing the ridiculous NCAA rules around player payments that have ruined the lives of some student athletes, while at the same time generating staggering amounts of money for Universities, Coaches, Officials, and the NCAA themselves.
Sure in two sports (men's football and basketball) the schools disproportionately benefit from the efforts of the students... sure. But ruined their life?
If your lot in life is a full-ride scholarship (tuition, meals, board), the ability to play a sport you enjoy at a high level for up to four years and the chance to enjoy whatever profile that comes with being a semi-famous athlete on campus at one of these schools - then I wish my time at university was similarly ruined.
Hear hear
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@rotated yep agree
The schools have a moral responsibilty to ensure any athlete genuinely graduates with the qualification they entered college to attain. If this is the case then the kid has every chance of attaining a successful outcome in life be it athletically and/or educationally.
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The restrictions on players heading directly to the NBA (one and done) along with the lack of viable alternative pathway to the NBA and the inability of star players to profit on their names and likeness have been the main sticking points. This generally applies more for the NBA than american football because it is more likely to get a pro ready baller than a footballer
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I’m pissing my pants reading you guys going on about ‘education’ for these kids, most of whom are a million miles away from actually being qualified to even enter these institutions and are therefore always set up to fail as students. The institutions don’t give a fuck about them, they care about the baseball, football, basketball, running, or whatever else Championship that they are trying to buy.
I won’t speak to my personal experience with it or the actions of my school, but I will talk of other places that I know of here in Japan where even though there is almost no money involved (just ‘pride’ and PR for the University), students are accepted without any oversight (i.e., you can basically be Forrest Gump and get in) and pushed through with tutors who write their assignments and/or teachers who are pressured to give credit to students as their absences are due to ‘University’ events (i.e., practice and games that are scheduled during the week during class time) . Even then, many can’t maintain a high enough credit schedule to graduate with many taking 6 years to get their credits.
And that’s without the money involved in the states.
So, its not just that these universities are taking advantage of these kids, they are also barely educating them. The whole system is a big joke so hopefully this result will put the entire scam under the spotlight.
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@gt12 Not to mention that many of these 'student athletes' in the US come from incredibly poor backgrounds, and while the school they play for profits from their work every weekend, they go home in the holidays to the same place they grew up without a cent to their name.
Some of them may get the big payday eventually, but not all of them.
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@gt12 well either revert to a genuine educational purpose, or scrap the entire pretence and the kids can go from HS into pro leagues or development programs.
Its ludicrous to have kids enter college for the purpose of playing sports with no intention to graduate legitimately and also get paid. They may as well go from Fairmont High and get recruited straight to XYZ pro football or basketball program.
