NCAA Slavery gooooorn
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In a concurring opinion, Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh seemed to invite such a challenge.
“Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate,” Justice Kavanaugh wrote. “And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The N.C.A.A. is not above the law.”
Seems Brett was a good choice.
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Did players even get paid if their names and images were used in video games? I assume not. I just can’t imagine what it must be like for a College at athlete who gets injured just before a pro career. The whole thing is sickening anyway. They’re supposed to be universities FFS.
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@siam said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
There's an argument that the Olympics does the same. Billions of revenue, competitors get zilch or a pittance.
I think that depends on which country they represent. I know in some countries the medal winners are well looked after and they can have endorsement deals, make a decent wage etc. My understanding is that college athletes can’t get shit. Bo Jackson was banned from college baseball because he got on a plane owned by an NFL team.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
Did players even get paid if their names and images were used in video games? I assume not. I just can’t imagine what it must be like for a College at athlete who gets injured just before a pro career. The whole thing is sickening anyway. They’re supposed to be universities FFS.
They didn't get paid for anything. They couldn't even sign memorabilia and sell it. The NCAA and the schools' justification was that they receive a college education. Of course that is irrelevant to the one and done guys
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Ok so I haven't read this but based on the vibe I'm getting from the thread what does this mean for US college sports then? Do they now completely ditch the pretence of education and just have bolt-on professional sports programs? If hundreds upon hundreds of student athletes are recruited by colleges and rewarded monetarily for playing for said colleges, with education a distant second, what does this mean for them when the majority don't make it to to the Major Leagues? Especially in a sport like American Football where the only tangible pro options are the NFL and CFL?
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Exactly
College sports will be become irrelevant if the emphasis isn’t on education + sport
May as well be a feeder / farm system for the professional governing bodies
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@mikethesnow said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
Exactly
College sports will be become irrelevant if the emphasis isn’t on education + sport
May as well be a feeder / farm system for the professional governing bodies
For the big Div 1s it's not about education anyway. Its about using free labour from the ghetto to.make an enormous amount of money.
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@canefan said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
It might just mean that the highest profile players can make some money from being a college sports star. Whether that means a salary or not I don't know. I don't expect the colleges to want to put them on the payroll
It should allow them to sign endorsement deals etc which could mean that they get paid by the sponsors and perhaps stay longer?
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Playing devils advocate....putting aside the lack of remuneration for college players whilst at college, they're getting an education which might enable them into a successful career outside of sports, and if they're good enough they'll make millions in the pro leagues. So the schools make mega bucks? So what? The players don't have to go there do they? They can take their chances declaring straight from HS, or go and make some coin in overseas leagues in basketball, baseball and hockey. Or they cruise through college whilst being developed by elite programs funded by their on-field efforts. What a nightmare choice for a talented young sportsperson.
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@shark for the top end teams it's become apparent that because so much is put into their sports, study on a normal student level is almost impossible. If they're a walk on then they probably get the degree and that argument holds water. But if they are a star it's all about sport and not a lot of study going on. The college is the only winner when it comes to the stallion type players. All these kids can hope for is national exposure.
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Are there any stats or studies on the guys (obviously the vast majority) who don’t make it to the pros? Are they looked after or thrown on the scrap heap?
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@raznomore said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
@shark for the top end teams it's become apparent that because so much is put into their sports, study on a normal student level is almost impossible. If they're a walk on then they probably get the degree and that argument holds water. But if they are a star it's all about sport and not a lot of study going on. The college is the only winner when it comes to the stallion type players. All these kids can hope for is national exposure.
That's an important distinction. With the end of the one and done soon, and the rise of the G league and the establishment of the ANBL as a viable alternative for young players hoping to make it to the NBA, more and more of those top players may choose to bypass college
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I’m a big supporter of paying a set amount (say $40-$50000) but still having some pretty stringent rules to maintain some of the “integrity”.
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@mariner4life said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
The US Supreme court have taken the first steps to finally crushing the ridiculous NCAA rules around player payments that have ruined the lives of some student athletes, while at the same time generating staggering amounts of money for Universities, Coaches, Officials, and the NCAA themselves.
Sure in two sports (men's football and basketball) the schools disproportionately benefit from the efforts of the students... sure. But ruined their life?
If your lot in life is a full-ride scholarship (tuition, meals, board), the ability to play a sport you enjoy at a high level for up to four years and the chance to enjoy whatever profile that comes with being a semi-famous athlete on campus at one of these schools - then I wish my time at university was similarly ruined.
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@rotated said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
@mariner4life said in NCAA Slavery gooooorn:
The US Supreme court have taken the first steps to finally crushing the ridiculous NCAA rules around player payments that have ruined the lives of some student athletes, while at the same time generating staggering amounts of money for Universities, Coaches, Officials, and the NCAA themselves.
Sure in two sports (men's football and basketball) the schools disproportionately benefit from the efforts of the students... sure. But ruined their life?
If your lot in life is a full-ride scholarship (tuition, meals, board), the ability to play a sport you enjoy at a high level for up to four years and the chance to enjoy whatever profile that comes with being a semi-famous athlete on campus at one of these schools - then I wish my time at university was similarly ruined.
Hear hear
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@rotated yep agree
The schools have a moral responsibilty to ensure any athlete genuinely graduates with the qualification they entered college to attain. If this is the case then the kid has every chance of attaining a successful outcome in life be it athletically and/or educationally.
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The restrictions on players heading directly to the NBA (one and done) along with the lack of viable alternative pathway to the NBA and the inability of star players to profit on their names and likeness have been the main sticking points. This generally applies more for the NBA than american football because it is more likely to get a pro ready baller than a footballer
