Coronavirus - Overall
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@majorrage My comment relates to the length of time they have spent in lockdown rather than the severity.
They have spent months more in lockdowns than either Oz or NZ.
The reason they re changing their messaging IMO is because they sent out multipole press releases when they knocked NZ off the top spot in terms of pandemic response and then had to go into lockdown within days.
All very silly stuff. Singapore's done well but so has most of SE Asia (until recently anyway) and they have done so by severely restricting the local populations freedoms
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I know the information we see out of China can rarely be taken at face value.
But given the surge in cases in most of the world due to the Delta variant, China 'appears' to be continuing along with little impact, we know the DV is likely to have made it there.
Is it the people do as they are told, are used to social distancing and mask wearing making transmission harder, are they flat out lying about thier numbers (surely given we know this, media outlets would be able to provide insights?) or is thier vaccine more effective?
Was reading an article that claims China is the only country in the world where current air travel is higher than 2019, again, if this is the case how are they keeping Covid largely at bay?
The city of Ruili reported 12 Covid-19 cases on Saturday, health authorities said on Sunday, accounting for all of China’s new local infections that day and taking the number of active symptomatic cases in the province to 50.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I know the information we see out of China can rarely be taken at face value.
But given the surge in cases in most of the world due to the Delta variant, China 'appears' to be continuing along with little impact, we know the DV is likely to have made it there.
Is it the people do as they are told, are used to social distancing and mask wearing making transmission harder, are they flat out lying about thier numbers (surely given we know this, media outlets would be able to provide insights?) or is thier vaccine more effective?
Was reading an article that claims China is the only country in the world where current air travel is higher than 2019, again, if this is the case how are they keeping Covid largely at bay?
The city of Ruili reported 12 Covid-19 cases on Saturday, health authorities said on Sunday, accounting for all of China’s new local infections that day and taking the number of active symptomatic cases in the province to 50.
Can’t really comment on the lockdown side of things but a few years back talking to an Asian/pac fund manager about buying in China and he felt you could not trust the data or the corporate governance. Moreover everything and he really meant everything was geared towards the governmental goals.
So I’d say no, we can’t trust the PR coming out of the PRC.
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I was listening to an Economist podcast yesterday. They were interviewing a 'behavioural scientist' about vaccination rollouts / hesitancy etc, behaviour with restrictions / masks / lockdowns etc.
Host put it to her that behavioural science had been a bit of a failure during the pandemic.
Her response was that it was more a driven by public health experts than behavioural science - with one hot take I found very interesting. Vaccine hesitancy. In her opinion the vast majority of populations are in fact clamouring and quite desperate for a/the vaccine, yet the media story is driven by 10 to 15% of populations with vaccine hesitancy. She mentioned a behavioural science approach would be things like creating a vaccine lottery where lucky fews get to jump queues (I assume generating media content about the clamouring rather than the hesitancy), messaging that a vaccine is reserved for individuals - so a sense of decision that 'I am passing up on that vial and now someone else gets it' after x date / turning it down etc (my paraphrase)
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Can a few people post if they had any side effects (aches, fever, chills, tiredness) from the vaccine they took?
Or even say if they had no side effects at all.My school in Taiwan has organized for us to take Astra Zeneca in two days. (no Pfizer or Moderna available here for a few months). I will be taking it, but do admit to being a little unhappy about the (probability/possibility) of feeling under the weather for a few days. Just wondering about other people's experience.
Cheers.
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I’ve had both jabs of the AZN vaccine. No real side effects apart from the sore arm you sometimes get with being vaccinated. Many friends etc have also been double jabbed either with the AZN or Pfizer. Most have come through it unscathed, a few with some mild symptoms of feeling a bit under the weather and the odd one or two suffering flu like symptoms for a day or two at most.
In all honesty mate it is a no brainer. Take it.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I’ve had both jabs of the AZN vaccine. No real side effects apart from the sore arm you sometimes get with being vaccinated. Many friends etc have also been double jabbed either with the AZN or Pfizer. Most have come through it unscathed, a few with some mild symptoms of feeling a bit under the weather and the odd one or two suffering flu like symptoms for a day or two at most.
In all honesty mate it is a no brainer. Take it.
Oh I agree it's a no brainer - just wondering as to the level of severity of the side effects and the duration.
I guess one of the most common side effects is not dying from Coronavirus.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Can a few people post if they had any side effects (aches, fever, chills, tiredness) from the vaccine they took?
Or even say if they had no side effects at all.My school in Taiwan has organized for us to take Astra Zeneca in two days. (no Pfizer or Moderna available here for a few months). I will be taking it, but do admit to being a little unhappy about the (probability/possibility) of feeling under the weather for a few days. Just wondering about other people's experience.
Cheers.
My account & everybody I know is there is nothing to be afraid of. 12-24 hours after you may feel flat / like a virus is on the way, but it lasts no more than 24 hours.
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@frank I had AZ a sore shoulder and a killer headache..then I worked out I had caffeine withdrawal
A nurse told me Pfizer hit her far more on the second jab (AZ the opposite) she just felt out of it for 2 days and couldn't work/lack of concentration..
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Pfizer two jabs
Slight ache in shoulder both times, like a decent set of reps in the gym -
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Can a few people post if they had any side effects (aches, fever, chills, tiredness) from the vaccine they took?
Or even say if they had no side effects at all.My school in Taiwan has organized for us to take Astra Zeneca in two days. (no Pfizer or Moderna available here for a few months). I will be taking it, but do admit to being a little unhappy about the (probability/possibility) of feeling under the weather for a few days. Just wondering about other people's experience.
Cheers.
Posted my story in the Australia thread, but happy to repeat. Minor effect which was an inconvenience.
Had my first jab about 9am (actual jab was 100% painless - not even a pin prick), started feeling a bit feverish (too hot/too cold), with bit of a headache about midnight. Lasted until morning (should have got up and had a panadol ... but lazy).
Pretty much 100% by 8ish next morning, but really tired, had a nap at one stage ... waste of a good wicket taker ... but I think that was due to lack of overnight sleep - an indirect effect rather than directly caused by the vax I think. Took the day off but could have made it to work if a I had to.
Arm felt a bit bruised.
Second jab: no effect whatsoever. Not even sore arm. Bit pissed off as was looking for another sickie.
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So we have heard the talk about herd immunity for a while now, and given we are 18+ months down the track of covid.
Surely there is enough evidence about in regard to being more/less susceptible to a second (or more) infection, does the effects reduce/increase on the additional infection?
And then what about those who have had it and been vaccinated?
I mean early on Sweden copped alot of shit over the way they handled things, yet looking at figures, thier infection rates are still low and are having days of no deaths (I assume they haven't changed thier stance and had lovkdowns)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
lovkdowns
if that is deliberate, then it's a piece of genius
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@mariner4life ov course it was, you have seen enough of my posts over the years to know how genius I is!
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You achieve herd immunity either in the natural way by enough people catching the virus and surviving or via vaccination coupled with natural selection. With a virus that is as transmissible as this natural selection would be a disastrous route. From what I gather the Swedish approach was less about achieving natural herd immunity but more that lockdowns were an unnecessary restriction. As a comparison to Sweden’s two close neighbours, Finland has had around 18k infections per 1M of population, Norway has had around 24k per 1M and Sweden has had over 108k per 1M.
That leaves them 12th on the table of infections per 1M of population, though if you take out countries that have less than 2M in population as being outliers then Sweden is 4th.
I don’t see their approach as being particularly successful so far.
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@catogrande oh I wasnt meaning thiers was great/bad, but wasnt thiers more a personal responsibility one as opposed to here are the rules (regardless of how strict/loose lockdowns were)
Even so, still must be enough data out there in the world now of multiple infected persons and vaccinated ones, although I suppose many countries have been struggling to keep thier heads above water let alone supply all sorts of data?
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I don't think we will ever really know what approach was best or should I say least worse, there are too many factors at play and of course it is still way too early to make any conclusions.
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@catogrande just look at Fiji, where they have basically let everyone do what they want.
Yeah on one hand you can say NZ did a great job, but flip it over and those of us living here can still see the tunnel is blocked at the other end with no idea what is on the other side or when they will see some light.
My main point though, was more wondering if there is data for those who have had covid (given the prior talk of herd immunity, that as you say, is achieved 2 ways) and is there been much evidence around those who have already had it and thier immune response, and if there is, surely having the vaccine improves it further.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Analysis of India's excess mortality rates suggests India has suffered over 4 million COVID deaths!
Yep, up to a factor of 10 underreported.
But this number was derived by modelling.
And we all know how accurate Covid modelling has been.