Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would see the building of permanent MIQ facilities as a positive sign to your chances of returning without having to do MIQ.
> > Passengers from vaccinated, trusted, in-control countries wont be using them.
This is what I'm really hoping for. Then I read @MajorRage's posts and get triggered in the same way and don't know what to think/feel.
The way NZ defines 'in-control' scares me, as does the fact that both parties have a policy of building prisons to hold citizens who have done nothing wrong.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would see the building of permanent MIQ facilities as a positive sign to your chances of returning without having to do MIQ.
Passengers from vaccinated, trusted, in-control countries wont be using them.
So if I am vaccinated, have the documentation to prove it but am NOT from "in-control" country, does this mean I will still have to quarantine if I travel to NZ?
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would see the building of permanent MIQ facilities as a positive sign to your chances of returning without having to do MIQ.
Passengers from vaccinated, trusted, in-control countries wont be using them.
So if I am vaccinated, have the documentation to prove it but am NOT from "in-control" country, does this mean I will still have to quarantine if I travel to NZ?
Could do. That's what countries are trying to work out. Vaccination doesn't stop you getting Covid or carrying it.
If NZ decided that it couldn't cope with getting 'out of control' then why would it open the borders wide to people coming from countries in that very position?
Risk mitigation.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would see the building of permanent MIQ facilities as a positive sign to your chances of returning without having to do MIQ.
Passengers from vaccinated, trusted, in-control countries wont be using them.
So if I am vaccinated, have the documentation to prove it but am NOT from "in-control" country, does this mean I will still have to quarantine if I travel to NZ?
Could do. That's what countries are trying to work out. Vaccination doesn't stop you getting Covid or carrying it.
If NZ decided that it couldn't cope with getting 'out of control' then why would it open the borders wide to people coming from countries in that very position?
Risk mitigation.
Lower the risk lower the chances of occurrenceWell that sucks.
I suppose it'll be hard to book tickets as well because at any moment NZ could deem a country as out of control when previously it was in control due to an outbreak in that country. A lot of uncertainty.I thus assume, since this is NZ 's position, they are pressing the pedal to the metal on getting everyone vaccinated?
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would see the building of permanent MIQ facilities as a positive sign to your chances of returning without having to do MIQ.
Passengers from vaccinated, trusted, in-control countries wont be using them.
So if I am vaccinated, have the documentation to prove it but am NOT from "in-control" country, does this mean I will still have to quarantine if I travel to NZ?
Could do. That's what countries are trying to work out. Vaccination doesn't stop you getting Covid or carrying it.
If NZ decided that it couldn't cope with getting 'out of control' then why would it open the borders wide to people coming from countries in that very position?
Risk mitigation.
Lower the risk lower the chances of occurrenceWell that sucks.
I suppose it'll be hard to book tickets as well because at any moment NZ could deem a country as out of control when previously it was in control due to an outbreak in that country. A lot of uncertainty.I thus assume, since this is NZ 's position, they are pressing the pedal to the metal on getting everyone vaccinated?
Jumping the gun a bit there. NZ doesn't have a 'position' on that scenario (yet).
Strategy seems to be to keep it out until the effects are lessened by vaccination which also provides time to observe the rest of the world from within a bubble and make decisions when required. Until the vax rollout finishes and we can see how places like the UK have faired I doubt any decisions will be made. -
I got home last night and had 'the letter' inviting me to go online and register for a jab.
I'd already got a spot via phone for mid August but when booking that they told me if I got contacted to go online as their are usually spots available that the call centre people can't access.
There was - today!!
I know in practical terms this is pretty meaningless but psychologically it feels like progress.
Booking was hassle free and only took a couple of minutes I was actually able to do it while on the phone to someone.
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It's a very haphazard process being run by the Ministry and DHB's.
I got a text in early June asking me to 'book now'as part of Group Three. I rang and the earliest possible slot was a Saturday in mid August, which I took.
Since then I've read on social media of plenty of people getting vaxxed by wandering into the right place at the right time with no booking, or a short notice booking, or a whole small community turning up, etc etc. Which is all good in the end as it's herd immunity that counts for opening borders etc.
But the selfish part of me will still be bemused at the prioritisation process if the growing number of delta cases in MIQ, and in nearby vessels, jumps the border before mid August...
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I wonder how long the legal fiction of MIQ requirements will stand given the unavailability.
There were some hints at this on an online comment by CHris Hipkins/Stuff article ( I know, I know), but the reality is right now NZ is preventing citizens from returning. At the risk of appearing like a pearl clutcher, this appears to be a breach of human rights. I think a judicial review could be very interesting, particularly in light of the fact that Immigration NZ can no longer deport people to countries with high risk of covid (India, specifically, and others by inference).
We live in interesting times, and I personally really preferred the old boring times.
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@donsteppa I don't understand why it isn't a standard service. In June my GP asked if I had been contacted as I too am Group 3. When I said no he gave me an 0800 number to ring and I effectively queue jumped I guess. Then I get a letter. I never got a text. I get some people don't have mobiles but all my details are with my GP so why do you get a text and I get snail mail?
Then seven weeks ago the first available date but a of today you can get in immediately. To the last point I'm guessing that's increased capacity at the Vaccination Centre but it all seems a little weird.
I walk past the Vacc Centre regularly and of late it has been noticeable busier with queues out the door, but most of the people queueing seem to be in their 20's. What's with that?
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how long the legal fiction of MIQ requirements will stand given the unavailability.
There were some hints at this on an online comment by CHris Hipkins/Stuff article ( I know, I know), but the reality is right now NZ is preventing citizens from returning. At the risk of appearing like a pearl clutcher, this appears to be a breach of human rights. I think a judicial review could be very interesting, particularly in light of the fact that Immigration NZ can no longer deport people to countries with high risk of covid (India, specifically, and others by inference).
We live in interesting times, and I personally really preferred the old boring times.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how long the legal fiction of MIQ requirements will stand given the unavailability.
There were some hints at this on an online comment by CHris Hipkins/Stuff article ( I know, I know), but the reality is right now NZ is preventing citizens from returning. At the risk of appearing like a pearl clutcher, this appears to be a breach of human rights. I think a judicial review could be very interesting, particularly in light of the fact that Immigration NZ can no longer deport people to countries with high risk of covid (India, specifically, and others by inference).
We live in interesting times, and I personally really preferred the old boring times.
cheers, sawt hat yesterday. This was the Stuff article about deportation
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125797221/too-cruel-why-deportations-may-end-due-to-covid19
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My father received a text last week and booked online. He will be having his first shot today. The new vaccination centre only opened this week, so I am sure that the increased supply of vaccine and having the infrastructure in place has meant a quick turn-around. He was also able to book his second shot at the same time.
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@dogmeat my mother claims it is difficult to get her jab, but she is equally as likely to find a problem where there isnt one...
One of my colleagues is in SAR and he got told he can go get his jab, went down to Semenoff Stadium yesterday expecting to have to book, but got his 1st jab instead (oddly he is someone who has largely been in the fence about getting the vaccine too, not an anti-vaxxer, just because like some, feels things have been rushed through)
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So a pretty well oiled machine. 17 minutes from ar4rival to having had jab. Another 17 minutes and free to go.
Lots of queuing but moved fast
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1st queue Checked by security to ensure you have used the app, sanitised and have a mask on. Asked what time your appointment is but no check.
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2nd Queue Provide proof of ID and appointment and they check a register to show you have appointment and strike it out to show you have been. Like they do with electoral rolls on voting day. Given a sticker with your name on so everyone greets you as dogmeat thereafter
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3rd queue show ID again asked questions about state of health, which jab you're getting today and if you have any questions about jab. A card is given to you with appointment details. A pamphlet on the jab is available.
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4th queue brief chat with security before going to someone one who records all your details in a database before being escorted to jab station
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No queue In fact choice of nurses to administer jab. They just confirm who you are and you're out in less than a minute.
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5th queue You hand in the card you were given earlier are asked if you need to make your second appointment and are directed where to sit. You're given a sheet on possible reactions and what to do etc
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Sit in zones. A nurse with a tablet records the relevant time for each zone and releases you 17 minutes later.
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On the way out there are people to book you a second appointment if you don't already have one, but off I go with my little I've been jabbed sticker
It sounds like a lot of queues but I think its rather clever the way they have broken it down into several small steps rather than spending 15 minutes at one place. Means every stage is brief, they are able to use the space of the building efficiently (you proceed through a big circle) the people at each stage are specialist of a sort only dealing with 3-4 criteria. This seems to prevent log-jams. I noted interpreters were available and there were a few times when an elderly person needed more time spent with them The person dealing with them was able to spend time because they weren't causing a backlog in doing so. Each station had about 10 people 'interviewing'
All in all it was quietly efficient and reasonably impressive. They're getting through around 850 jabs a day and expect to be at 1,000 next week. Then they are extending opening hours. Gives a bit more confidence that MoH can reach their target.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nepia snacks? We don't have to be bribed to do our patriotic duty
there is a Foodhall literally outside the door - it's in a mall. I celebrated with a lamb doner for lunch.
They gave us snacks in the 15 minute waiting time after the jab - a small bottle of water, these little bags of italian flavoured chips (awesome, I grabbed a bunch extra as I left) like grainwaves and shortbread (boo).