Coronavirus - New Zealand
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I think the pathway to NZers being able to return more freely is still planning for fully vaccinated people being able to self-isolate rather than go into MIQ. The trial on this later this year is still planned to go ahead despite the latest Delta incursion, so that tells me the government is serious about that as the first stage of the plan.
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I think the government will be closely watching what happens in the Northern Hemisphere as they move into autumn.
For all the triumphalism of some elements up north (media / politicians and no worse than our own) the graphs are trending remarkably similarly to last year.
7 day death rate in the UK for example is 15 times higher than it was for the same week last year. I do get that the UK is a lot more open but I wonder how much of their great summer is the vax rate and how much is seasonality.
NZ has to accept living with Covid and soon. In my circle I would say there are no more than 1 or 2 who want to stay locked down forever. There are more who are ready to open up now but the vast majority guardedly support the Govt's strategy but will start clamouring for borders to open once we get tp 70% double jabbed
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so Cindy and Chris need to have a chat?
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I am firmly on the Butcher's side here. It's absolutely ridiculous that they cannot offer a click and collect service, while thousands of people cram into supermarkets to get their meat.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126330367/police-make-auckland-butcher-shut-shop
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am firmly on the Butcher's side here. It's absolutely ridiculous that they cannot offer a click and collect service, while thousands of people cram into supermarkets to get their meat.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126330367/police-make-auckland-butcher-shut-shop
Yeah mate, I ranted about this no-end during the 2020 lockdown. It's fucking disgraceful that all that wealth got transferred from small business to large supermarkets. If you are making a unilateral decision that small business aren't sensible enough / smart enough / whatever, to be able to operate in a safe manner on click and collect, then you damn sure better compensate them financially for that view,
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
13 cases today, all in Auckland, hospitalisation, ICU and ventilator numbers have dropped.
250,000 Pfizer doses en route from Spain, should arrive in Auckland tomorrow morning, bigger deal in the works, hoping to announce shortly.
Praise Cindy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
13 cases today, all in Auckland, hospitalisation, ICU and ventilator numbers have dropped.
250,000 Pfizer doses en route from Spain, should arrive in Auckland tomorrow morning, bigger deal in the works, hoping to announce shortly.
Praise Saint Cindy!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIFY
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hope that's right!
A shame that we don't have functioning press to represent us to the government ay.
Every single fucking one
Too manysipping the Cindy Kool AidFIFY
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hope that's right!
A shame that we don't have functioning press to represent us to the government ay.
Every single fucking one
Too manysipping the Cindy Kool AidFIFY
Not correct. There are a few. Very few. And the problem is that they don't command the attention of the more prominent Ardern hacks
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think the pathway to NZers being able to return more freely is still planning for fully vaccinated people being able to self-isolate rather than go into MIQ. The trial on this later this year is still planned to go ahead despite the latest Delta incursion, so that tells me the government is serious about that as the first stage of the plan.
I'm struggling to see what the trial is meant to prove. If it's that we can reduce border restrictions and still keep zero community cases, then it's pretty much guaranteed to fail. And when it does fail, what's going to happen? Another lockdown?
You either have to commit to a gradual reopening or stay with the elimination strategy. There's no point "trialing" it then reverting back when it ends up going exactly as predicted.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hope that's right!
A shame that we don't have functioning press to represent us to the government ay.
Every single fucking one
Too manysipping the Cindy Kool AidFIFY
Not correct. There are a few. Very few. And the problem is that they don't command the attention of the more prominent Ardern hacks
That is good to know. Anyone you would recommend reading/following?
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You either have to commit to a gradual reopening or stay with the elimination strategy. There's no point "trialing" it then reverting back when it ends up going exactly as predicted.
WE can't keep Delta out with MIQ. We certainly can't keep Delta out with home isolation. Even if there is a step change in border controls, it's only going to delay the inevitable.
Remember - non-Delta crossed the border, and we never figured out how. It's a giant mystery. So, assuming Covid re-emerges, teh question is 'what do you do'. FOr me, once everyone has had the chance to vaxx, you just keep on with business as usual, maybe a level 1.5 with masks to reduce spreading potential. But lockdowns have to go.
For context, I read that L4 costs 1.5Bn per week of lockdown in direct government costs. THat's about a half to a third of CRL in Auckland - which the council has nearly bankrupted itself to pay for. So, we get to choose - a three week lockdown, or a state of the art piece of modern infrastructure that supports a modern, low carbon economy and dense city. Which do we choose?
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think the pathway to NZers being able to return more freely is still planning for fully vaccinated people being able to self-isolate rather than go into MIQ. The trial on this later this year is still planned to go ahead despite the latest Delta incursion, so that tells me the government is serious about that as the first stage of the plan.
I'm struggling to see what the trial is meant to prove. If it's that we can reduce border restrictions and still keep zero community cases, then it's pretty much guaranteed to fail. And when it does fail, what's going to happen? Another lockdown?
You either have to commit to a gradual reopening or stay with the elimination strategy. There's no point "trialing" it then reverting back when it ends up going exactly as predicted.
Yep 100% this. Either they know this and all the rhetoric is just easing towards a proper reopening without upsetting chicken littles. Or they are actually really stupid and can't see the flaws in the "plan".
After Hipkiss came out and said the Delta outbreak "changed everything" - when as @MajorRage pointed out it gave them zero new information, I'm worried it is the latter...
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You either have to commit to a gradual reopening or stay with the elimination strategy. There's no point "trialing" it then reverting back when it ends up going exactly as predicted.
WE can't keep Delta out with MIQ. We certainly can't keep Delta out with home isolation. Even if there is a step change in border controls, it's only going to delay the inevitable.
Remember - non-Delta crossed the border, and we never figured out how. It's a giant mystery. So, assuming Covid re-emerges, teh question is 'what do you do'. FOr me, once everyone has had the chance to vaxx, you just keep on with business as usual, maybe a level 1.5 with masks to reduce spreading potential. But lockdowns have to go.
For context, I read that L4 costs 1.5Bn per week of lockdown in direct government costs. THat's about a half to a third of CRL in Auckland - which the council has nearly bankrupted itself to pay for. So, we get to choose - a three week lockdown, or a state of the art piece of modern infrastructure that supports a modern, low carbon economy and dense city. Which do we choose?
We are moving off topic a bit and into the realms of the Politics underworld thread, but a friend of mine (accountant) posted this today, linking to the following:
Scary numbers for NZ govt debt.
30/6/19 net debt $28.7b
30/6/20 net debt $49.3b
1/4/21 net debt $107.5bPretty worrying, as that shit needs to get paid paid eventually. Thanks next generation.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hope that's right!
A shame that we don't have functioning press to represent us to the government ay.
Every single fucking one
Too manysipping the Cindy Kool AidFIFY
Not correct. There are a few. Very few. And the problem is that they don't command the attention of the more prominent Ardern hacks
That is good to know. Anyone you would recommend reading/following?
Heather Du Plessis-Allan, Andrea Vance and Mike Hosking come to mind
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You either have to commit to a gradual reopening or stay with the elimination strategy. There's no point "trialing" it then reverting back when it ends up going exactly as predicted.
WE can't keep Delta out with MIQ. We certainly can't keep Delta out with home isolation. Even if there is a step change in border controls, it's only going to delay the inevitable.
Remember - non-Delta crossed the border, and we never figured out how. It's a giant mystery. So, assuming Covid re-emerges, teh question is 'what do you do'. FOr me, once everyone has had the chance to vaxx, you just keep on with business as usual, maybe a level 1.5 with masks to reduce spreading potential. But lockdowns have to go.
For context, I read that L4 costs 1.5Bn per week of lockdown in direct government costs. THat's about a half to a third of CRL in Auckland - which the council has nearly bankrupted itself to pay for. So, we get to choose - a three week lockdown, or a state of the art piece of modern infrastructure that supports a modern, low carbon economy and dense city. Which do we choose?
We are moving off topic a bit and into the realms of the Politics underworld thread, but a friend of mine (accountant) posted this today, linking to the following:
Scary numbers for NZ govt debt.
30/6/19 net debt $28.7b
30/6/20 net debt $49.3b
1/4/21 net debt $107.5bPretty worrying, as that shit needs to get paid paid eventually. Thanks next generation.
It more means inflation than anything. Govt debt isn't like personal or business debt in that it needs to be paid back some day. It's basically money borrowed off itself, or in other words printed money.
Doesn't make it any less worrying.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat don't be so flippant and dismissive, i've read it 3 times (the worst was before the edit when they first posted when it said gradual re-opening in 2023)
"opening up" given what he is talking about, what does that look like? Because it still looks a lot like 14 day quarantine for the immediate and not-so-immediate future. Who the fuck has the time to add 14 days to the start of a trip? At cost? That is a pretty significant barrier. Especially for a bloke with two pretty active boys who would hate it. And it's not like you can just book a spot. They gonna open more hotels?
Add in the Qld idiocy and it's 14 days on the way back as well.
Cheery picking the two most positive sounding parts to once again minimise how we are feeling doesn't really help things does it?
Jesus. What?
yeah, by the time i read it a 2nd time it had been revised to 2022
Fucking hell. My boy is pretty likely to never hug at least one of his grandparents again.
Yep, had that conversation with the wife earlier. This is confirmation that there is no chance I'll see the old lady again, that the kids will see their Nana, As it stands, if she went took the final turn tomorrow, I don't think I'd even try to come home - because it appears impossible to get into or out of MIQ, let alone get a flight that matches the times. At best I'd probably be watching the funeral on zoom from a hotel room rather than at home with my kids.
So I was thinking about this just now. And I reflected that I've made it all about me and the kids. I haven't actually taken the time to ask myself, what would the old lady choose?
I thought of this as she sent me a message about being stoked to go back to L2, as it meant she could have coffee with friends, get her hair done, and go to the bookstore.
Made me realise that for all my assumptions that she really should be wanting us to be able to get back to NZ, maybe what she really wants is to live the last 6-12 months of her life enjoying herself in the most normal way possible. And how the heck can I blame her for that? Isn't everyday normality for a period of time like that better than a 3 day visit from me and my monsters?
Anyway, point is only that I guess everyone has different and very personal opinions on what we should do based on their personal circumstances. I don't even understand what my own mother is thinking let alone anyone else.
Of course I'd like for NZ to live without lockdowns and ALSO to have the border open for me, I'm not deviating from that broader view. Just trying to not be so dismissive of people who think differently.
For tonight anyway..
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not exactly unbiased, but....
I was going to read that article just so I could rant that if you can talk about being in a police state you probably aren't in a police state but (and even if that article is overseas) the amount of privacy data it asked for put me off.
We're not a police state, we just track and identify everything you do...