Coronavirus - Australia
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At first glance, you'd think for an organisation whose role is to protect people, getting the vax would be a formality.
But I completely get that being told to do it is a different matter entirely.
Were they at least offering a day off for each jab or something @Crazy-Horse ?
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I think QANTAS came out and said they'd done a survey of their staff and they already had over 80% that had already or were planning on getting it
I'm sure it will be challenged and sorted in court one way or the otherYeah, Qantas did IIRC but they were classified as frontline, high risk, overseas exposure staff so I think the rules were a bit different for them.
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo will be interesting if we can bring these dates forward as more companies and industries bring in no jab no job, might be the motivation to get a few more people through the door
Can you do that legally in Aus as an employer?
Qld police officers are trying to raise funds to fight the compulsory jab mandate that was announced for cops a couple of weeks ago. If it gets to court the outcome will obviously have wide ramifications in other industries too.
As I said above really. Frontline. I can understand the "freedom of choice" aspect but serving and protecting means just that. If you won't protect yourself I have little faith in you protecting anyone else. Sorry, that's just the way this shit has panned out.
So my cheque is in the mail for Queensland cops to not be jabbed.
Not having a go at you @Crazy-Horse just the social freedoms and who the most responsible people are. Police should be way up there.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo will be interesting if we can bring these dates forward as more companies and industries bring in no jab no job, might be the motivation to get a few more people through the door
Can you do that legally in Aus as an employer?
My contract renewal was dependent on vaccination. Luckily for all involved it was a moot point.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I think QANTAS came out and said they'd done a survey of their staff and they already had over 80% that had already or were planning on getting it
I'm sure it will be challenged and sorted in court one way or the otherYeah, Qantas did IIRC but they were classified as frontline, high risk, overseas exposure staff so I think the rules were a bit different for them.
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo will be interesting if we can bring these dates forward as more companies and industries bring in no jab no job, might be the motivation to get a few more people through the door
Can you do that legally in Aus as an employer?
Qld police officers are trying to raise funds to fight the compulsory jab mandate that was announced for cops a couple of weeks ago. If it gets to court the outcome will obviously have wide ramifications in other industries too.
As I said above really. Frontline. I can understand the "freedom of choice" aspect but serving and protecting means just that. If you won't protect yourself I have little faith in you protecting anyone else. Sorry, that's just the way this shit has panned out.
So my cheque is in the mail for Queensland cops to not be jabbed.
Not having a go at you @Crazy-Horse just the social freedoms and who the most responsible people are. Police should be way up there.
It might be an interesting scrap. There are rumours that the QPS are going to go after current serving officers who contributed to the go fund page for misconduct. Apparently it raised over $40 000 in a few days. The Union is on the side of the QPS so that is another problem for the dissenters.
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@crazy-horse so sad to hear about more division
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@kiwiwomble indeed. Burwood being one of those "border states" where clearly they're nearly as bad as The Filthy Poors in Canterbury-Bankstown or Fairfield. Ugh!
Evidence-based approach is evidence-based. Not.
Too many ALP voters in those areas, clearly
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
What does LGA stand for? Location of Interest equivalent?
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
What does LGA stand for? Location of Interest equivalent?
local government area
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
Well you could apply that to almost anywhere in Sydney, really.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
Well you could apply that to almost anywhere in Sydney, really.
Don't worry, I do.
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@hooroo as he said: Local Government Area - basically "The Council".
Smallest one in NSW is Municipality of Hunters Hill (pop ~15,000 in 5.7sqkm) top left of this map:
Largest one in NSW is Central Darling Shire (pop ~1900 in 53,511sqkm), dead centre of this map and about halfway between Adelaide and Sydney.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Burwood's status as an LGA of concern has nothing to do with covid. Probably more "why are people paying millions to live there?"
Well you could apply that to almost anywhere in Sydney, really.
Don't worry, I do.
I never paid a million for a house in Sydney, yet I own one know. It really is stupid. First one in 2000 I bought when it was waaaaaaaaay out for $270K, and just now I got a cold-call email from a realtor advertising a house a couple of km away from that, starting $1.7M
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it's been a couple of weeks since i have had an uniformed COVID rant so
The problem facing Australia was laid bare today. Dan Andrews wants to release a couple of restrictions in Vic. Nothing over the top, you can go a bit further, stay out a bit longer (god even typing that is weird) the AMA have had a go The Victorian branch of the Australian Medical Association (AMA) has hit out at a "reckless" decision by Premier Daniel Andrews to ease some restrictions when the first dose vaccinations reach 70 per cent. While the freedoms will only be "modest", such as expanding the travel limit to 10km and increasing the exercise limit to three hours a day, the AMA is concerned the plan could put more pressure on the already struggling healthcare system. And while first dose vaccinations are almost at 70 per cent, just over 40 per cent of Victorians over the age of 16 are fully vaccinated. "Stress is being felt across the system including in primary care, hospital-in-the-home outreach care for Covid-19 patients, and caring for admitted patients both with Covid-19 and other medical illnesses," AMA Victoria president Roderick McRae told the ABC. "AMA Victoria considers it reckless to open up the current Victorian restrictions until 80 per cent of people 12 years and older, who are now eligible for vaccination, are two weeks beyond their second dose. "That is the time to reassess the state's capacity to manage the inevitable cases of Covid-19 in the remaining 1.6 million unvaccinated Victorian citizens.
Now, i actually get their angle. Their remit is like my beloved Dr Young said up here, they don't want anyone to die, ever. So their entire focus is on that aspect, and that aspect alone. We have been told over and over that this is a health crisis, and therefore must defer to the health experts. The health experts are taking the approach that no one gets or dies from Covid, ever. If someone tries to do anything that will result in one of those two things happening. out come the experts to slam it.
I think the main thing to take away is, the health system is stretched without this, and ANY increase in Covid hospitalisations fucks our health system. We are locked down as a Country not because of Covid as such, but because of years and years and years of underspending on health by state governments intent on buying votes elsewhere. Somewhere there will be a report written about what was to happen if a pandemic hit, and it would have been read, shelved, and the money allocated elsewhere. We in Australia have no capacity. We can barely keep up with normal demand, and so a shock might be fatal.
In my mind, this is the real story. Why are we in this position? Why have we not planned for this? Why have we done nothing about it?
And, even worse, what happens when we open at vaccination targets, and we get the surge of cases, and hospitalisations? Can we actually cope at 70-80% (which still leaves an enormous amount of people susceptible) or are we still facing harsh restrictions to "protect" a health service so underfunded it can't keep up as it is?
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@mariner4life the AMA could focus on a couple of things first:
- Getting their membership to a place where we can start to believe they actually represent the medical profession, and
- Stop killing patients.
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@mariner4life There was a virologist on radio this morning saying opening up the country once a vaccine target is achieved is racist because Maori will have a lower vaccination rate.
I get her point that even of the country at a whole is at (e.g.) 80% there will be pockets, geographically, ethnically, economically who may be much lower but every fucking effort is being made to address that issue.
Should the whole country remain closed because (e.g.) Pahiatua and / or 65+ Greek trans haven't had the jab?
FUCK OFF.