Coronavirus - Overall
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo I am sure if you want to find it you will, but yeah I dont see much in NZ re Sweden, although I tend to scan headlines only more often than not.
Well of course, me too, if I actually read the articles, I would have no time left to post authoritative thoughts about them on the interweb!
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I'd be careful comparing Sweden except to other countries in Scandinavia and maybe the Nordic area. I lived there for years, Sweden tend to socially distance naturally even without Covid, seriously.
Plus immunity via natural infection may be higher in Sweden (they are well known for having let it run from early on) than Israel, but I don't have the stats to prove that.
What I do know is that official stats show 90%+ of the UK (adult??) population now has CoVid antibodies so that's about 20% greater than the vaccination rate.
Even so the problem is you have a remaining 10%-to-say-conservatively-15% of the UK population, which suggests up to 6-10 million people who are unvaccinated/have no prior immunity. And vaccines are only stopping spread of infection in 50-60% of cases with Delta in those vaccinated. It's as infectious as hell.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Outdoor masks are just idiotic.
Indeed. I've seen reasonable articles on mask effectiveness reducing spread to others in enclosed spaces, comparisons of different types cloth masks vs standard medical vs "ideal" N95 etc.
I've never seen any science justifying them outdoors ... and it has never been mandated or even recommended outdoors in the UK.
I respect elderly people wearing them outdoors though I think it's probably more a psychological self-defense mechanism so I don't blame them. And I might cross the street to avoid a heavy-breathing jogger tbh.
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ive said before, i can really only assume the idea of a mask mandate outside like we have in Vic is more around people not forgetting to put them on when going in and out and just touching them in general as we were advised not to do, once outside wear one. but the authorities havent said as much so they might just be doing it "because"
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But personally I do think Sweden's mask policies are probably ok, good, fair enough.
Reccommend rather than mandate.
90% of people do, just for social pressure reasons or even genuine health concerns. Once we have moved from elimination, 90% is probably enough to flatten curves.
Just looking at the streets in Wellington & Wairarapa (from my experiences), it is not mandatory but kazillions of people are wearing them, and there isn't even covid within about 600kms.
Admittedly. We've had it mandated on public transport for 8 months, and behaviour seems fine in my experience.
Just don't think we should exhaust energy on or politicise something that 90% will do anyway willingly or slightly grudgingly.
Definitely wouldn't suggest an outdoor mask mandate, personally. Which Israel's seems to have had.
Masks are gooooone here in Sydney. Obvs people have to wear them inside or on public transport, but I reckon you'd be lucky to see more than 5% of people wearing them outside now. I was at Balmoral and Manly beach over the weekend, barely a mask in sight as people picnic, walk, chat to their mates.
Outdoor masks are just idiotic.
TBH, I've noticed a bit of a resurgence here in the city. It could be because I live in an area of low vaccination and increasing cases, but even when I was picnicking in the inner west on Sunday I noticed that most people wore masks until they got to their spot.
It's just you entitled northern beachers bucking the trend it seems.
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@kiwiwomble when we have clients come into our building when we meet them we are supposed to wear a mask, the amount of times I walk out to reception and then have to turn around and grab one from my desk!
I am quite surprised how many I see wearing them here when walking outside or around town.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But personally I do think Sweden's mask policies are probably ok, good, fair enough.
Reccommend rather than mandate.
90% of people do, just for social pressure reasons or even genuine health concerns. Once we have moved from elimination, 90% is probably enough to flatten curves.
Just looking at the streets in Wellington & Wairarapa (from my experiences), it is not mandatory but kazillions of people are wearing them, and there isn't even covid within about 600kms.
Admittedly. We've had it mandated on public transport for 8 months, and behaviour seems fine in my experience.
Just don't think we should exhaust energy on or politicise something that 90% will do anyway willingly or slightly grudgingly.
Definitely wouldn't suggest an outdoor mask mandate, personally. Which Israel's seems to have had.
Masks are gooooone here in Sydney. Obvs people have to wear them inside or on public transport, but I reckon you'd be lucky to see more than 5% of people wearing them outside now. I was at Balmoral and Manly beach over the weekend, barely a mask in sight as people picnic, walk, chat to their mates.
Outdoor masks are just idiotic.
TBH, I've noticed a bit of a resurgence here in the city. It could be because I live in an area of low vaccination and increasing cases, but even when I was picnicking in the inner west on Sunday I noticed that most people wore masks until they got to their spot.
It's just you entitled northern beachers bucking the trend it seems.
yeah, guess the air is cleaner and worth inhaling over here mate...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kiwiwomble when we have clients come into our building when we meet them we are supposed to wear a mask, the amount of times I walk out to reception and then have to turn around and grab one from my desk!
I am quite surprised how many I see wearing them here when walking outside or around town.
i does happen, just this morning Mrs Womble text me from the beach to say she'd got that far without hers, first time shes forgotten it in a year and a half, she was running so was exempt anyway but i walked to to meet her for when she finished
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It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
I'm jealous, we are still meant to be wearing them and I do as I don't want to be the non-Japanese that sticks out (more than I already do).
But, even here in Japan, I've started seeing people not wearing them, which is really interesting given how compliant people usually are. On my way to the station (roughly 800 metres) I saw three people not wearing them, all over 50 (so probably double vaxxed) and just doing their thing.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
Was he muttering something about his contrat de sous-marin?
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No. It was before we ganged up with the Convicts and the Seppos to shaft the Frogs.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Just come back from a week in France and they are operating a bit differently to the UK. Mandatory mask wearing in all shops, cafes, restaurants etc with a high degree of compliance. Obviously in cafes and restaurants once you are sitting down and eating/drinking you are not expected to wear one... except for one small cafe in St Malo on the way back. Everyone sitting down, inside and out and not wearing masks. We walked in, wearing ours and then sat down and took them off. Less than five minutes in and I had a French guy asking me if we had masks. I replied that we did but as we were sitting down we didn't have to wear them. He seemed a bit put out by this (he was wearing his mask on his arm. His bloody arm). The rest of the cafe joined in asking if we were vaccinated and most were satisfied with our answer except the protagonist who got up and walked out, still not wearing his mask.
No amount of mask can contain your englishness
But I had a moustache and was wearing a blue and white striped t shirt???
You forgot you need at least two of three from wearing a beret, plus onions and/or baguette?
Plus wearing sandals with socks gives you away I hear.
No cultural stereotyping here of course ...
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's amazing how different various parts of the world are now. In the UK I haven't put on a mask at all since late July.
Signs are still up in the tube/trains to wear a mask, but only about a quarter of people do. Staff members and ticket inspectors don't.
Yep
Came abroad on Monday evening
Next to no one wearing them in London
Great
Mineโs in my pocket for nowI'd say it's variable e.g. in my leafy and slightly elderly suburb of London ...
If I go to a large supermarket in the daytime the crowd is middle aged+ in general, probably 70-80% masking. Surprisingly high.
If I pop to a mini-market at 10pm, most of the people there are picking up a few things after being in a pub/restaurant. So mainly 20s-30s. Maybe only 20-30% masked.
I wear one in enclosed spaces, but it's for others not me. If I forget it I don't sweat it and I don't judge anyone not wearing one.
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I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm as pro-vax as they come. I've been double-jabbed since June. My wife the same. My 12 year old has had his first shot already
But
I find the way way the discussion is framed interesting.
I read a column today that opened with "to safely limit future lockdowns and return to a sense of normalcy, vaccinating adolescents will be important"
Not to protect them from covid, but to avoid government responses.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing serious, but I think talk like this is how you end up with so many people not wanting, or openly resisting vaccination.
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Haven't they tried the health angle already though? People should realise by now the risks of catching covid19 which can be long lasting or fatal if you are unlucky. And yet peopleout there seem willing to chance it. So now part of the incentive is pointing out that vax is the best chance to get closer to having our old life back again