Music - Top 10's!
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@dogmeat said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
part of a period in time where British rock bands shat all over their American counterparts overall
I think this is a bit of a myth. Sure there was a British invasion but that was as a result of every record company trying to find the next Beatles. For every Stones, Who or Kinks there was a Hermans Hermits, Tremeloes or Dave Clark 5
US bands of the 60's off the top of my head that were innovative and popular - Velvet Underground, Jefferson Airplane, Byrds, Doors, CCR, Buffalo Springfield, Sly & The Family Stone, Grateful Dead, Zappa, Beach Boys - plus the Motown discography. Not all of those are my thing but there's enough to negate any notion of British superiority.
I don't include Hendrix as he was really a British act who just happened to be a Yank.
Fair call but I was referring to the early to mid 70s, not the 60s, when British bands like the ones mentioned plus Deep Purple, Sabbath, Genesis, Yes we’re more dominant overall.
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@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
Put it this way. Stop an average young punter on the street and ask them to name or identify these bands and I think PF may struggle a bit in recognition.
It will come down to age and awareness but I still see plenty of these t-shirts worn by the younger generation.
Oasis t-shirts? Not if you want to be cool.
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@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@crucial Yeah, but David Gilmour is a good fluffybunny while Liam Gallagher is just a fluffybunny. Checkmate, I think!
I don't see it as a contest. Both should be on the list. My only wonder is how well known PFs music is among younger generations (ie has it lasted?). Oasis get the advantage there of being younger.
Put it this way. Stop an average young punter on the street and ask them to name or identify these bands and I think PF may struggle a bit in recognition.
Oh, it's definitely a contest
I don't mind Oasis TBH. I suspect Noel would have the good grace to be embarrassed at the suggestion he displaced The Floyd just as much as he would be chuffed he was ranked up there with The Beatles. He did a bit of radio over the holidays and came across really well. But Liam's a fluffybunny, no question.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@dogmeat said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
part of a period in time where British rock bands shat all over their American counterparts overall
I think this is a bit of a myth. Sure there was a British invasion but that was as a result of every record company trying to find the next Beatles. For every Stones, Who or Kinks there was a Hermans Hermits, Tremeloes or Dave Clark 5
US bands of the 60's off the top of my head that were innovative and popular - Velvet Underground, Jefferson Airplane, Byrds, Doors, CCR, Buffalo Springfield, Sly & The Family Stone, Grateful Dead, Zappa, Beach Boys - plus the Motown discography. Not all of those are my thing but there's enough to negate any notion of British superiority.
I don't include Hendrix as he was really a British act who just happened to be a Yank.
Fair call but I was referring to the early to mid 70s, not the 60s, when British bands like the ones mentioned plus Deep Purple, Sabbath, Genesis, Yes we’re more dominant overall.
I understand what you mean but I think it depends where you were. In the UK back in the 70s you didn't hear much US music and vice versa, apart from on niche radio like US campus radio and Peal on UK's Radio 1. But it was different for us. We in NZ did really well in terms of access to bands from around the world. You were just as likely to hear Lou Reed as David Bowie, with a big dose of Aussie music in there as well. And on TV Grunt Machine and Radio with Pictures had no equivalent anywhere in the world. There wasn't a sense of UK bands dominating. They were just part of the mix.
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@crucial Yeah, but David Gilmour is a good fluffybunny while Liam Gallagher is just a fluffybunny. Checkmate, I think!
I don't see it as a contest. Both should be on the list. My only wonder is how well known PFs music is among younger generations (ie has it lasted?). Oasis get the advantage there of being younger.
Put it this way. Stop an average young punter on the street and ask them to name or identify these bands and I think PF may struggle a bit in recognition.
Oh, it's definitely a contest
I don't mind Oasis TBH. I suspect Noel would have the good grace to be embarrassed at the suggestion he displaced The Floyd just as much as he would be chuffed he was ranked up there with The Beatles. He did a bit of radio over the holidays and came across really well. But Liam's a fluffybunny, no question.
I think it depends on the day as to which one is being the biggest dickhead but if you added it up Liam probably comes out on top.
You can often judge these 'stars' based on who their real friends are. Weird thing with Noel is that he is good mates with Paul Weller (who is a genuinely nice bloke even if pig-headed at times) but is also close with Bono.
Who knows?
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Don't both Noel and Liam have big selling tours constantly these days with their respective bands? People aren't going to see them for the new stuff, and are happy to go see one of the two to hear Oasis songs.
I think the Fern is underestimating their popularity due maybe to recency bias (which sounds odd for a band whose heyday was the 90s). I think they'll always be massive to the generation who really grew up on them and they'll gain new younger fans like most bands do.
From the OP though I agree with ditching the Stone Roses, the Jam and The Smiths. I've always found The Smiths fucking awful and hated Morrisey's singing even before he became a twat.
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@nepia said in Music - Top 10's!:
Don't both Noel and Liam have big selling tours constantly these days with their respective bands? People aren't going to see them for the new stuff, and are happy to go see one of the two to hear Oasis songs.
I think the Fern is underestimating their popularity due maybe to recency bias (which sounds odd for a band whose heyday was the 90s). I think they'll always be massive to the generation who really grew up on them and they'll gain new younger fans like most bands do.
From the OP though I agree with ditching the Stone Roses, the Jam and The Smiths. I've always found The Smiths fucking awful and hated Morrisey's singing even before he became a twat.
I'm a massive Jam fan but wouldn't have them in a list of Top 10 British bands of all time.
As I said before though there will be slots in the list to fill once you get past the obvious. They are the ones with the biggest bias from the selector
Beatles
Rolling Stones
Led Zep
Who
Queen
Pink Floyd
GenesisKinks?
Clash?
Dire Straits?
Bee Gees?then it comes down to personal preference really. Stretch the definition of 'band' and it gets easier as you can add in Bowie, Elton John...
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@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
@nepia said in Music - Top 10's!:
Don't both Noel and Liam have big selling tours constantly these days with their respective bands? People aren't going to see them for the new stuff, and are happy to go see one of the two to hear Oasis songs.
I think the Fern is underestimating their popularity due maybe to recency bias (which sounds odd for a band whose heyday was the 90s). I think they'll always be massive to the generation who really grew up on them and they'll gain new younger fans like most bands do.
From the OP though I agree with ditching the Stone Roses, the Jam and The Smiths. I've always found The Smiths fucking awful and hated Morrisey's singing even before he became a twat.
I'm a massive Jam fan but wouldn't have them in a list of Top 10 British bands of all time.
As I said before though there will be slots in the list to fill once you get past the obvious. They are the ones with the biggest bias from the selector
Beatles
Rolling Stones
Led Zep
Who
Queen
Pink Floyd
GenesisKinks?
Clash?
Dire Straits?
Bee Gees?then it comes down to personal preference really. Stretch the definition of 'band' and it gets easier as you can add in Bowie, Elton John...
Bowie and Elton would be in the top10 solo acts
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If we go with most UK number 1s (UK artists only)
Top 10:
- The Beatles (17)
- Cliff Richard, Westlife (14)
- Ed Sheeran (13)
- Take That (12)
- Calvin Harris, Elton John (10)
- Spice Girls, (9)
- Oasis, The Rolling Stones (8)
Then:
- George Michael, Jess Glynne, Robbie Williams, Sam Smith, U2 (7)
- Blondie, Boyzone, Queen, The Shadows, Slade, Rod Stewart (6)
- All Saints, Bee Gees, Cheryl, David Bowie, Dizzee Rascal, The Police (5)
By the end I had to look up whether they were Brits or not, no idea. Boyzone is Irish but not sure if any Northern Irish. Anyway doesn't appear to be a great indicator of quality!
Longest time albums in the top 100 (UK artists) The plus albums are still in the top 100
- Greatest Hits Queen 1087+
- Rumours Fleetwood Mac 924+
- The Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd 544 (only ever got to No.2)
- (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Oasis 524+
- [+] Ed Sheeran 440
- Time Flies... 1994–2009 Oasis 437+
- AM Arctic Monkeys 436+
- Definitely Maybe Oasis 429
- x Ed Sheeran 392+
- Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not Arctic Monkeys 375+
- In the Lonely Hour Sam Smith 371+
- The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac 363
- 1 The Beatles 350+
- 21 Adele 311+
- Face Value Phil Collins 300
- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Beatles 295
- Tubular Bells Mike Oldfield 287
- I Cry When I Laugh Jess Glynne 278
- Brothers in Arms Dire Straits 271
- Legacy (The Very Best of David Bowie) David Bowie 270+
- Greatest Hits II Queen 269
- ÷ Ed Sheeran 255+
- Hot Fuss The Killers 254
- Making Movies Dire Straits 252
- Twenty Five George Michael 248+
- Direct Hits The Killers 248+
- 25 Adele 223+
- 19 Adele 223
- Diamonds Elton John 219
- Never Forget – The Ultimate Collection Take That 218
- Sigh No More Mumford & Sons 218
- The Stone Roses The Stone Roses 215
- No Jacket Required Phil Collins 208
- 1962–1966 The Beatles 206
- All Over the World: The Very Best of Electric Light Orchestra Electric Light Orchestra 206
- The Bends Radiohead 204
- Under a Blood Red Sky U2 204
- The Joshua Tree U2 201
- The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars David Bowie 201
- Love over Gold Dire Straits 200
So
- Oasis 1390++
- Queen 1356+
- Fleetwood Mac 1287+
- Ed Sheeran 1087++
- The Beatles 851+
- Arctic Monkeys 811++
- Adele 757++
- Pink Floyd 544
- Phil Collins 508
10 = David Bowie 471+ & Dire Straits 471 - this weekend Bowie will drop Dire Straits down 'cos he's still in the charts.
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@machpants McCartney has had 3 more #1's 2 solo 1 as part of wings plus 5 as a member of a charity band so all up involved in 25 UK #1's
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@dogmeat said in Music - Top 10's!:
@machpants McCartney has had 3 more #1's 2 solo 1 as part of wings plus 5 as a member of a charity band so all up involved in 25 UK #1's
He had one with Rihanna and Kanye as well didn't he?
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@machpants said in Music - Top 10's!:
If we go with most UK number 1s (UK artists only)
Top 10:
- The Beatles (17)
- Cliff Richard, Westlife (14)
- Ed Sheeran (13)
- Take That (12)
- Calvin Harris, Elton John (10)
- Spice Girls, (9)
- Oasis, The Rolling Stones (8)
Then:
- George Michael, Jess Glynne, Robbie Williams, Sam Smith, U2 (7)
- Blondie, Boyzone, Queen, The Shadows, Slade, Rod Stewart (6)
- All Saints, Bee Gees, Cheryl, David Bowie, Dizzee Rascal, The Police (5)
By the end I had to look up whether they were Brits or not, no idea. Boyzone is Irish but not sure if any Northern Irish. Anyway doesn't appear to be a great indicator of quality!
Longest time albums in the top 100 (UK artists) The plus albums are still in the top 100
- Greatest Hits Queen 1087+
- Rumours Fleetwood Mac 924+
- The Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd 544 (only ever got to No.2)
- (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Oasis 524+
- [+] Ed Sheeran 440
- Time Flies... 1994–2009 Oasis 437+
- AM Arctic Monkeys 436+
- Definitely Maybe Oasis 429
- x Ed Sheeran 392+
- Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not Arctic Monkeys 375+
- In the Lonely Hour Sam Smith 371+
- The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac 363
- 1 The Beatles 350+
- 21 Adele 311+
- Face Value Phil Collins 300
- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Beatles 295
- Tubular Bells Mike Oldfield 287
- I Cry When I Laugh Jess Glynne 278
- Brothers in Arms Dire Straits 271
- Legacy (The Very Best of David Bowie) David Bowie 270+
- Greatest Hits II Queen 269
- ÷ Ed Sheeran 255+
- Hot Fuss The Killers 254
- Making Movies Dire Straits 252
- Twenty Five George Michael 248+
- Direct Hits The Killers 248+
- 25 Adele 223+
- 19 Adele 223
- Diamonds Elton John 219
- Never Forget – The Ultimate Collection Take That 218
- Sigh No More Mumford & Sons 218
- The Stone Roses The Stone Roses 215
- No Jacket Required Phil Collins 208
- 1962–1966 The Beatles 206
- All Over the World: The Very Best of Electric Light Orchestra Electric Light Orchestra 206
- The Bends Radiohead 204
- Under a Blood Red Sky U2 204
- The Joshua Tree U2 201
- The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars David Bowie 201
- Love over Gold Dire Straits 200
So
- Oasis 1390++
- Queen 1356+
- Fleetwood Mac 1287+
- Ed Sheeran 1087++
- The Beatles 851+
- Arctic Monkeys 811++
- Adele 757++
- Pink Floyd 544
- Phil Collins 508
10 = David Bowie 471+ & Dire Straits 471 - this weekend Bowie will drop Dire Straits down 'cos he's still in the charts.
That top ten makes me want to vomit
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The Oasis v Pink Floyd discussion is interesting as it is hugely generationally swayed.
Pink Floyd have two generations of fans who will absolutely go if the show was on offer. Huge world wide appeal across a broad audience. Very few of the crowd would be under 40 years of age.
Oasis are basically today what Pink Floyd were to us (do the math, it's frightening) music you listen to because your dad did. And make no mistake, Oasis were an enormous world wide band. Wonderwall is one of the biggest songs of all time. A tour would have a crowd of original fans, and their kids. Not many fans over 50. Nostalgia touring probably not really kicking in with that younger generation yet though.
I'm not really trying to make a case of which is better (I've never been a big fan of Oasis, and the number of PF songs I really like is probably in the single digits) I just think trying to compare them based on a hypothetical world tour is not the best comparison right now. Pink Floyd now to Oasis in 15 years would be an interesting comparison.
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Metallica or Gunners are a much better example than Oasis ( if we’re talking worldwide ). According to lots of googling the highest number I can get for Oasis album sales is 70 million. I think you really need to have sold well over 100 million to be considered in the “first division” ( Pink Floyd have managed over 250 million which puts them with the Beatles, Stones, Zep, Eagles, Queen etc ) and I’ll freely admit that bands I love like Sabbath, Deep Purple, Faith no More, Stone Temple Pilots to name just a few are probably not really in the very top echelon much as they are personal favourites of mine.
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On sales at least, Pink Floyd are absolutely a top 10 British/UK band. In no particular order, I'd start the list with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Queen. Who the rest are would be more challenging to select.
Not sure how it stacks up without googling a lot, but Queen sold out Wembley in 1986, before computers and online sales, in 2 hours for 2 nights, which was about 140,000 tickets. I remember reading that was the Wembley stadium sales record pre-online, but maybe that was hype.
