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@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
They only respond to how the optics look. She was able to spin it and make them look bad. Most normal people don't have the ability or the access to do that and make it stick
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
I'm more annoyed that Jacinda's DJ friends get in ahead of more deserving people.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
I'm more annoyed that Jacinda's DJ friends get in ahead of more deserving people.
The media are so into her and the government all these stories barely make any impact. And many people outside Auckland, whose lives have barely been affected over the last 2 years, lack any outrage at all it would seem
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/31/afghanistani-mother-responds-to-pregnant-kiwi-journalists-plea/
Jeeze who didn’t see that coming.
A smear article on somebody who smeared St. Jacinda.
How completely unexpected.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I took it as someone with skin in the game highlighting the BS Bellis used to queue jump. Not that there is a queue of course
I'm not trying to defend MIQ or the govt but Bellis has irritated me. I'd be livid if I had been trying to get in from overseas at the way she has performed and our kind government has responded.
Mind you having to deal with the MIQ lottery would have killed me more surely than Covid could.
Strange take.
Right now, you have to pull any and all levers possible - if my wife were pregnant or something was going on that I could use, I’d be doing my best to shame the government (and country) into action.
We’re all in it alone - NZ clearly doesn’t give a fuck, so use whatever you can to get whatever you can get.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, well. They've sneakily changed those paragraphs in the page I linked to earlier.
This morning's version:
This afternoon's version:
Ever get the feeling they are just making shit up as they go along? I'm not sure why we should take anything they say seriously TBH.
The PM announced that exception for gatherings with exclusive use of the venue in the press conference - it's a shame whoever is behind the website got that part wrong initially (I'm a marriage celebrant, I spent a fair bit of time on the CANZ FB group pointing it out before the website was corrected). Press conference and transcript are here and the relevant sentence in the transcript is "These changes also won’t apply to non-public facing workplaces, swimming pools, and gatherings where you have the exclusive use of a premises." One change since the speech is to clarify that it includes weddings, but gatherings is a lot of things (weddings, funerals, church services, amateur sport, community theatre and other groups, parties etc.) so I can see why the full potential list was not read out.
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@old-samurai-jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 That is it though, isn't it? Most average Kiwis don't give a flying f#@k and actually support it in a quiet, passive way because it doesn't affect them.
if we are fair that is the majority of people about the majority of things
apathy and self interest are what allows governments to do mostly what they want
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder So what in your opinion is broken between the government and departmental layers that causes the execution to go wrong so regularly?
It's not unique to the public service - it happens in any business big enough to have multiple layers between the CEO/Board and the front line (there's a bit of material about it online). If I knew the solution to that problem, I'd be a rich consultant instead of a keyboard warrior on here.
The public service a big place with a lot of staff and mistakes happen. There is also confirmation bias to some extent - to miscoin someone else's phrase, non-mistakes isn't news so it doesn't get reported. There are something like 350,000 Crown employees (might be more now) - we don't hear about all their mistakes or good work, just the big stuff.
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I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
I strongly doubt that, but I did see this pop up in my feed, which makes me wonder if the media has realized that now there is some value in questioning the government (either that of the FB algorithm is working perfectly):
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
FYI.
It's ironic she (rightly) finds the UK media appalling, considering some of the stuff the NZ media has said about the UK's approach in the past.
Perhaps Stephen Jones was right and NZ doesn't do irony...
Audrey Young: NZ's international reputation suffers over MIQ distress : Some of the things being written about Jacinda Ardern in the international media are simply appalling. A columnist in Britain's Telegraph this week, for example, described the decision by Ardern to cancel her own wedding as "showy martyrdom". There was not an ounce of sympathy for what was undoubtedly a distressing decision for any bride to make. I stopped reading at that point. But not all those abroad stoop to the same level of personal antipathy when criticising New Zealand's harsh border policies which are preventing thousands of Kiwis from getting home. Former Herald reporter Angela Mollard who now lives in Australia wrote a thoughtful piece for the Daily Telegraph this week explaining why she is angry with Ardern. Mollard said she had lost faith in New Zealand, she dispensed with Dave Dobbyn's "Loyal" being her song of choice at her funeral (she is not dying), and concluded that Australia is the country that now deserves her loyalty. "I'm angry at her parochial and uber-protective policies and I'm angry that I'm banned from the place where – more than any other – I felt I belonged," wrote Mollard who is missing her family in New Zealand. There is no shortage of commentary internationally on New Zealand's management of Covid-19. It comes from journalists abroad and New Zealand-based journalists writing for foreign publications. But the most powerful and visceral critics are Kiwis abroad, such as Angela Mollard in Australia, Dan Wootton in London, and most recently the pregnant journalist Charlotte Bellis in Afghanistan. Pregnant journalist Charlotte Bellis. Photo / Jim Huylebroek Pregnant journalist Charlotte Bellis. Photo / Jim Huylebroek All were locked out of New Zealand, although the international exposure given to the Bellis case resulted in a swift volte face, a place in MIQ and approval to return home. It may be one of the last. Ardern dropped heavy hints today that she will be making big announcements this week about relaxing the border rules, which will allow people to isolate at home rather than Government-run facilities. That is not likely to quickly heal the damage between New Zealand and locked-out Kiwis, many of whom have been abused online for complaining about the system. But New Zealand's international reputation has also been damaged. The cumulative stories about the human impact of the border policies have sullied New Zealand's reputation as a fair and decent place. All countries care about their reputations but it is more important to small countries because they do not hold economic or military power. Being a good international citizen, being an honest broker, doing the right thing has been important to New Zealand. The damage to New Zealand is exacerbated by the fact that Arderns's reputation and New Zealand's are one and the same. Her international brand, through leadership after the Christchurch massacre, is a caring leader. Damage to New Zealand reflects badly on her; and damage to her reflects badly on New Zealand. In the early days of the Covid pandemic, Ardern was the one who was at pains to reiterate the right of New Zealanders to enter New Zealand. She has not been able to deliver on that right for an extended period. She said today that as Covid had changed, so had Government policy. The trouble is that the slow pace of change to Government policy has allowed the problems to pile up. She was rightly applauded internationally for the initial response to Covid-19. Now, for the most part, she is rightly being criticised.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
I strongly doubt that, but I did see this pop up in my feed, which makes me wonder if the media has realized that now there is some value in questioning the government (either that of the FB algorithm is working perfectly):
Bloody hell. I read that article and was staggered no-one had thought this sort of stuff thru.
Sure, it's tricky for any government to deal with the pandemic and loads of mistakes are going to be made at the start like pensions for people trapped overseas - but you get on and fix them. This is incompetence on a grand scale and that it's allowed to continue shows a lack of political leadership bordering on callousness.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
I strongly doubt that, but I did see this pop up in my feed, which makes me wonder if the media has realized that now there is some value in questioning the government (either that of the FB algorithm is working perfectly):
Bloody hell. I read that article and was staggered no-one had thought this sort of stuff thru.
Sure, it's tricky for any government to deal with the pandemic and loads of mistakes are going to be made at the start like pensions for people trapped overseas - but you get on and fix them. This is incompetence on a grand scale and that it's allowed to continue shows a lack of political leadership bordering on callousness.
Why are you so surprised? Without the distractions of covid19 and the Christchurch mosque attack, what have they done? Kiwibuild? Nope. 1M trees? Nope. Auckland light rail? Nope. Eradicate child poverty? Nope Nope Nope. That's a whole lot of futility
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I notice this morning there are a couple of articles on the herald about how NZ reputation taking a hammering MIQ etc etc.
Articles are premium so I can't read them, but I do wonder if the editor has realised that NZ media is arguably the biggest problem due to their complete and utter inability to seriously question the government.
I strongly doubt that, but I did see this pop up in my feed, which makes me wonder if the media has realized that now there is some value in questioning the government (either that of the FB algorithm is working perfectly):
Bloody hell. I read that article and was staggered no-one had thought this sort of stuff thru.
Sure, it's tricky for any government to deal with the pandemic and loads of mistakes are going to be made at the start like pensions for people trapped overseas - but you get on and fix them. This is incompetence on a grand scale and that it's allowed to continue shows a lack of political leadership bordering on callousness.
Why are you so surprised? Without the distractions of covid19 and the Christchurch mosque attack, what have they done? Kiwibuild? Nope. 1M trees? Nope. Auckland light rail? Nope. Eradicate child poverty? Nope Nope Nope. That's a whole lot of futility
I'm not really au fait with NZ politics, apart from what I mainly read in the (appalling) UK media - which is generally Jacinda fawning with occasional criticism.
I'm just amazed any politician with a modicum of intelligence and/or political nous didn't think thru the basic stuff like this - and staggered they seem to be lacking in basic humanity and happy to allow it to continue.
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