Ireland v Italy

[MiketheSnow]

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

[Billy Tell]

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the New England

Steady on there bro.

[Duluth]

[ARHS]

Just watched this disgrace of a game. Thought the red was marginal anyway. Ref was poor and the rules are a farce. But the commentary was also a bit grating in trying to be so positive. Yuk! Feel sorry for Italy and their exemplary captain.

[taniwharugby]

no wonder the NH teams didnt want the 20 min RC...such a great spectacle that game was.

[antipodean]

Italy were always going to lose this fixture because that's what they're in the 6N for, but they've a legitimate claim about shit refereeing. Red card vs ignored:

[MiketheSnow]

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

Italy were always going to lose this fixture because that's what they're in the 6N for, but they've a legitimate claim about shit refereeing. Red card vs ignored:

Yep

Called that during the match

[profitius]

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

[antipodean]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

[MajorRage]

Regardless of anything else, surely it must be consensus that Italy having to play with 13 men was a really shit outcome. I wonder if you surveyed the 40,000 people there, how many would say they were happy with the way this worked out.

It seems that Italy lost their first hooker to injury, so be it. And then the second was red carded. So apparently the rule is that if you cannot have contested scrums due to a carded player, then you must lose an extra player. I guess the thought process is that you are effectively removing a potential opposition attacking weapon, in order to keep it equitable, the law book thinks removing a second player is the equivalent of contested scrums.

Firstly, this is a complete fallacy. It makes the assumption that your scrum was the weaker one to start off with. Which is not necessarily the case.

Secondly, who the fuck could write a law book that states, that 13 vs 15 players is something that can happen, and something that anybody wants to be a part of, or witness. That's completely fucked up. Yes, you could argue the Italy hooker should know the rules and watch himself etc, but it's not like it was a clear punch. It was misapplied tackle. Exactly the same thing Ireland got nothing for as shown a couple of posts above.

A contest is still a contest, abelt a more difficult one at 14 vs 15. The blame for this tilt lies squarely at the red card offender. But 13 vs 15 isn't rugby. That's something else. This totally isn't fair, but It's a black mark for me against the Irish captain for not chatting to the referee and stating, "this is absurd, Italy shouldn't have to play with 13, can I ask for them to be allowed another player". What would you rather be, captain of a winning team in which you had an absurd unfair advantage, or the captain who questioned the rules & asked for them to be bent in our oppositions favour to ensure a game could be played in front of a crowd of paying guests. Ireland were never going to lose against 15, let alone 14. This sort of gesture is career defining & sets you up for life in your post rugby retirement.

Whoever made this rule, and whoever was involved in approving it should be banished from global sport forever. Not just rugby, sport.

[profitius]

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

[antipodean]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

[MiketheSnow]

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

Hear fucking hear

[profitius]

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

6 nations so far

Ireland has most passes by far. 674 compared to Frances 371.
Ireland has most run meters 1584. Nearly 300m more than France.
Ireland has most line breaks by far. 22 compared to Wales' 10.
Ireland has 2nd most defenders beaten. 2 behind Scotland.

But never mind those facts. Just take a very selective few minutes and form an opinion.

[profitius]

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

Hear fucking hear

You're Welsh, yeah?

[MajorRage]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

6 nations so far

Ireland has most passes by far. 674 compared to Frances 371.
Ireland has most run meters 1584. Nearly 300m more than France.
Ireland has most line breaks by far. 22 compared to Wales' 10.
Ireland has 2nd most defenders beaten. 2 behind Scotland.

But never mind those facts. Just take a very selective few minutes and form an opinion.

Unequivocal proof that statistics don't tell you much about rugby ... Above reads that they are incredibly expansive and a joy to watch.

Neither is correct.

They are incredibly effective though.

[MiketheSnow]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

Hear fucking hear

You're Welsh, yeah?

And spot flat tracks from miles

[profitius]

@majorrage said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

6 nations so far

Ireland has most passes by far. 674 compared to Frances 371.
Ireland has most run meters 1584. Nearly 300m more than France.
Ireland has most line breaks by far. 22 compared to Wales' 10.
Ireland has 2nd most defenders beaten. 2 behind Scotland.

But never mind those facts. Just take a very selective few minutes and form an opinion.

Unequivocal proof that statistics don't tell you much about rugby ... Above reads that they are incredibly expansive and a joy to watch.

Neither is correct.

They are incredibly effective though.

How would you define expansive play?

[MajorRage]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@majorrage said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

6 nations so far

Ireland has most passes by far. 674 compared to Frances 371.
Ireland has most run meters 1584. Nearly 300m more than France.
Ireland has most line breaks by far. 22 compared to Wales' 10.
Ireland has 2nd most defenders beaten. 2 behind Scotland.

But never mind those facts. Just take a very selective few minutes and form an opinion.

Unequivocal proof that statistics don't tell you much about rugby ... Above reads that they are incredibly expansive and a joy to watch.

Neither is correct.

They are incredibly effective though.

How would you define expansive play?

1 / Ireland

[antipodean]

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@antipodean said in Ireland v Italy:

@profitius said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow said in Ireland v Italy:

@cgrant said in Ireland v Italy:

@mikethesnow
Worst game by Ireland in years. When you are playing against 13 then against 12 men, you should score at least 15 tries.

Absolutely

Ireland are the new England

Easily disliked

Italy down to 12 men for the last 10 minutes and Ireland go for catch & drive from the lineout

Then continue to play pick and go

Flat track bullies

Calm down. Its not as though ireland are still playing Schmidtball. Farrell is picking a mobile, ball playing team that's good to watch usually. Why get upset over a nothing game like that?

I think he explained it well. Same reason I dislike the Brumbies.

So ireland were supposed to take it easy on the italians? And if ireland miss out on the championship by points difference - which has happened before - they can console themselves in the fact that they took it easy on the italians?

But you've already lost to the eventual winners!

Quite frankly a team that doesn't demonstrate the ability, interest or intent to spread the ball and enjoy themselves against 12 with the result sewn up doesn't deserve to win a title.

6 nations so far

Ireland has most passes by far. 674 compared to Frances 371.
Ireland has most run meters 1584. Nearly 300m more than France.
Ireland has most line breaks by far. 22 compared to Wales' 10.
Ireland has 2nd most defenders beaten. 2 behind Scotland.

But never mind those facts. Just take a very selective few minutes and form an opinion.

Most number of tackles != best defender. But surely a team that's clearly better than everyone else statistically would have no problem passing against 12 and scoring under the posts..?