QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
Some are poor. I always though BB was OK right from the start.
He used to be terrible. Would barely make the 22
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
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@Nevorian said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
At one point wasn't DC living in Auckland and playing for the Saders? Where there's a will there's a way. I hope the Blues paid his wife well
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@canefan said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Nevorian said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
At one point wasn't DC living in Auckland and playing for the Saders? Where there's a will there's a way. I hope the Blues paid his wife well
They foolishly didn't pay Dan's gran, she told him no in no uncertain terms
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Holland is not a Super Rugby level head coach, it’s as simple as that. He got there by mistake.
I will be pissed off if he’s there next year. He doesn’t deserve to be head coach of this club.
Well as a Canes'man you should know he's signed for next year. I not sure how good or bad he is, I do know realistically even as a Canes'man I know we haven't got the cattle to go deeper into the comp than we have. Unfortunately doesn't matter how I look at it Canes are a team of reasonable super players, with the likes of JB, Ardie and sometimes TJP carrying the team, and we get an occasional flash of something from a few of the other players to excite us. It's what it is, we surely need to find some solid big tighties, so I will just keep supporting them and hope a few good young ones come through.
Will add I was quite comfortable with Brumbies win, they were clearly better team, I was disappointed we didn't get upset, but not overly upset, as it was a pretty fair result and where the both teams are .Don't be so logical. Nothing to do with the cattle at all. It's all the fault of the coaches. String them up off a crane over Lambton Quay and the Canes will win the comp. Simple.
Canes are in the same spot that Blues were. Searching for a 10 that can take them through a winning campaign.
Funny thing is that Blues found a good one in Perofeta but it has taken many years to get a return on that investment so meanwhile they snaffled BB from you.
Put BB back in that side with some decent locks and you would be still in the hunt.I thought the game management was pretty good when Jordie was on. He was basically running the show from 1st and 2nd receiver.
The problem was when he went off and they got stuck in their own half. And the Rayasi poor play
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@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground. -
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
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@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
I think the ruling is that you have to control the ball to be a drop kick.
Kinda like the Carlos knee kick, law makers have no sense of adventure
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@nzzp said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
I think the ruling is that you have to control the ball to be a drop kick.
Kinda like the Carlos knee kick, law makers have no sense of adventure
The knee kick one was outside of the laws to start with (kick is described as from lower leg) but refs had no idea what to do to start with as no one ever tried it on before Carlos.
I reckon it should be legal and would give a good option against rush defences.
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@antipodean said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Commentary on Stan trying to make the red card a yellow and the yellow card a red.
And yesterday while having a beer with some Brumbies supporters, they were all arguing the same thing. Some field of social-medical science should look in to this bias.
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
For starters Love has a long punt, he's a 10, but that drongo Holland selects him at 15 more when he does start him - because you can basically only select 3 backs on the bench Love is very handy off the bench to cover 10 & 15, but if he does come on prefer him to slot in at lst-five... we have two very promising 10's for the future with him & Morgan.
As we know BB is a brilliant attacking runner - but doesn't really think much at all when it comes to his general kicking, instead of looking to kick the ball into space deep he kicks it directly to an opposition player, allowing them to run the ball up 30 or 40 metres before they even come in contact with one of our tacklers, that's just gifting the other side the ball & giving easy metres away.
His striking of the ball timing wise is shocking at times, punts or shots at goal... on occasions his place kicking has been awful because he rushes it so hooks the ball to the left, making it fly through the air like a wounded duck, but when he takes a bit more time & comes around the ball in a smooth arc with a good follow-through he strikes it well. -
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
For starters Love has a long punt, he's a 10, but that drongo Holland selects him at 15 more when he does start him - because you can basically only select 3 backs on the bench Love is very handy off the bench to cover 10 & 15, but if he does come on prefer him to slot in at lst-five... we have two very promising 10's for the future with him & Morgan.
As we know BB is a brilliant attacking runner - but doesn't really think much at all when it comes to his general kicking, instead of looking to kick the ball into space deep he kicks it directly to an opposition player, allowing them to run the ball up 30 or 40 metres before they even come in contact with one of our tacklers, that's just gifting the other side the ball & giving easy metres away.
His striking of the ball timing wise is shocking at times, punts or shots at goal... on occasions his place kicking as been awful because he rushes it so hooks the ball to the left, making it fly through the air like a wounded duck, but when he takes a bit more time & comes around the ball in a smooth arc with a good follow-through he strikes it well.Nothing to do with rushing the kick or smoothness . He takes his time but has a tendency to lean hard to the left and hold his counterbalancing (left) arm out at right angles. This causes a draw (which can be useful for a wide conversion on the left of the field). He also ends up with his hips facing away from the posts which is a big flaw for longer distances.
JB stands more upright so doesn't need as much counterbalance and he ends up more square. -
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
Tiaan Falcon is a good example. Unfortunately, he had that nasty injury when he was at the Chiefs (costing him an entire season), and didn't get any chances when he was fit again, because Cruden returned for a season and Trask became the coach's pet. He left for Japan, and no idea whether he'll return to NZ rugby ... But he's a talented 10 with a very good boot.
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
For starters Love has a long punt, he's a 10, but that drongo Holland selects him at 15 more when he does start him - because you can basically only select 3 backs on the bench Love is very handy off the bench to cover 10 & 15, but if he does come on prefer him to slot in at lst-five... we have two very promising 10's for the future with him & Morgan.
As we know BB is a brilliant attacking runner - but doesn't really think much at all when it comes to his general kicking, instead of looking to kick the ball into space deep he kicks it directly to an opposition player, allowing them to run the ball up 30 or 40 metres before they even come in contact with one of our tacklers, that's just gifting the other side the ball & giving easy metres away.
His striking of the ball timing wise is shocking at times, punts or shots at goal... on occasions his place kicking as been awful because he rushes it so hooks the ball to the left, making it fly through the air like a wounded duck, but when he takes a bit more time & comes around the ball in a smooth arc with a good follow-through he strikes it well.Nothing to do with rushing the kick or smoothness . He takes his time but has a tendency to lean hard to the left and hold his counterbalancing (left) arm out at right angles. This causes a draw (which can be useful for a wide conversion on the left of the field). He also ends up with his hips facing away from the posts which is a big flaw for longer distances.
JB stands more upright so doesn't need as much counterbalance and he ends up more square.Disagree, you make him sound like a contortionist... naturally all goal kickers stand in a comfortable upright position before they move in... Of course it has a lot to do with not rushing too much & a smooth run in, making it easy to be in the right position to follow-through well.
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A lot of players can't kick well with either foot, so most favour one foot... if a right footer is running down the right flank side close to the side line & execute a grubber they tend to strike the ball with the outside of the foot, which diverts the ball right, so usually goes out over the side line, need to strike the ball with the inside of the foot making it divert infield to have a good chance of creating a try.
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@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
For starters Love has a long punt, he's a 10, but that drongo Holland selects him at 15 more when he does start him - because you can basically only select 3 backs on the bench Love is very handy off the bench to cover 10 & 15, but if he does come on prefer him to slot in at lst-five... we have two very promising 10's for the future with him & Morgan.
As we know BB is a brilliant attacking runner - but doesn't really think much at all when it comes to his general kicking, instead of looking to kick the ball into space deep he kicks it directly to an opposition player, allowing them to run the ball up 30 or 40 metres before they even come in contact with one of our tacklers, that's just gifting the other side the ball & giving easy metres away.
His striking of the ball timing wise is shocking at times, punts or shots at goal... on occasions his place kicking as been awful because he rushes it so hooks the ball to the left, making it fly through the air like a wounded duck, but when he takes a bit more time & comes around the ball in a smooth arc with a good follow-through he strikes it well.Nothing to do with rushing the kick or smoothness . He takes his time but has a tendency to lean hard to the left and hold his counterbalancing (left) arm out at right angles. This causes a draw (which can be useful for a wide conversion on the left of the field). He also ends up with his hips facing away from the posts which is a big flaw for longer distances.
JB stands more upright so doesn't need as much counterbalance and he ends up more square.Disagree, you make him sound like a contortionist... naturally all goal kickers stand in a comfortable upright position before they move in... Of course it has a lot to do with not rushing too much & a smooth run in, making it easy to be in the right position to follow-through well.
Have you ever coached goalkickers and analysed their techniques? It's a bit like golf.
If you freeze frame when BB strikes the ball the line of his body is about 30 degrees off upright. JB is closer to around 10. Being leaned over can be good. You can generate distance. However unless you counter-balance with a high outside arm you will likely fall away as you strike which imparts a draw on the flight of the ball. Obviously the draw is more noticeable the further the kick travels.
When he goes for distance he also pushes his weight through the kick by hopping forward on his planted foot just after the strike but then lands with both feet at an angle whereby his hips are no longer square to the posts.Not a contortionist at all just minor adjustments needed in technique. He does work on this and can erase those flaws but can also revert to them on an off day (which we have seen plenty of)
Anyway this all has nothing to do with the thread. I just used BB as an example of a 10 that doesn't get great distance on kicks. He used to be worse but improved.
You were trying to tell everyone that 10s need a long punt which simply isn't the case. Some do have one but they aren't that common and it certainly isn't a pre-requisite. -
A long punt is nice, an accurate punt is better. And for all the muscle strength, a long lever is best. Jordie is taller than Beaudy.
