All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
It's hard for anyone to show much at test level at loose forward when we have been dogshit for game after game. All of them have been less than awesome, so picking on the newbs seems unfair.
The result: Cane gets it in the neck.
We will only know how good guys like Jacobsen are when they get a good run, in a balanced line-up. I rate him, but he is made of glass, which lowers his value a lot when we need stability.
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
I do have issues with Blackadder though, on defense. Mongrel is OK but won't help tackle a player if you're out of position.
Jacobsen is the type of player that, if he hadn't been capped, would turn up for another country and turn into another Aki type as he would get way more of a chance to play and get experience.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Jacobsen is the type of player that, if he hadn't been capped, would turn up for another country and turn into another Aki type as he would get way more of a chance to play and get experience.
He's also been victim of his own versatility, even for the Chiefs. When Cane got injured Jacobson went to 7. I think his best position is no.8, which he should play for Waikato in the NPC, and I would start him ahead of PGS for the Chiefs.
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@broughie said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial kind of like Thomas Waldren?
Or Brad Shields?
Of course you don't know exactly how it will pan out. That's why I said 'type of player'.
Point is that we are extremely quick to try, then discard players in NZ because we think we have lots of options. Many don't even get a chance. Were Lowe, Aki or JGP brilliant in there first games for Ireland? Hardly, but they had more potential than other options so were worked with.
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NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Medical results indeed...more like clusterfuck, papering over cracks.
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
The prime reason Foster is a poor coach, beyond the bizarre selections etc, is that his players never seem to be in the proper head space. During his time with the Chiefs they would consistently lose games they should have won, but do OK in games that no-one expected them to do well in. The time they made the final was the greatest example of his uselessness -- they had up to then been playing well and full of confidence. It took 20 minutes for them to get blown off the park. Clearly he had managed to squeeze all their confidence out of them before the game.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening. -
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
The prime reason Foster is a poor coach, beyond the bizarre selections etc, is that his players never seem to be in the proper head space. During his time with the Chiefs they would consistently lose games they should have won, but do OK in games that no-one expected them to do well in. The time they made the final was the greatest example of his uselessness -- they were playing well and full of confidence. It took 20 minutes for them to get blown off the park. Clearly he had managed to squeeze all their confidence out of them before the game.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Didn't the ABs surrender tries meekly under Hansen's tenure as well? I recall a certain SF against England. Chicago 2016. England in 2018 at Twickenham. Wallabies have made fast starts too. Maybe the opposition have spotted a flaw with the ABs.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening.Bollocks mate. Why don't they just come out and say that then? Cos they're useless and don't respect their supporters, or that is not what is happening? Either way, it is rubbish. No communication sucks, is not acceptable
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@stodders said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
The prime reason Foster is a poor coach, beyond the bizarre selections etc, is that his players never seem to be in the proper head space. During his time with the Chiefs they would consistently lose games they should have won, but do OK in games that no-one expected them to do well in. The time they made the final was the greatest example of his uselessness -- they were playing well and full of confidence. It took 20 minutes for them to get blown off the park. Clearly he had managed to squeeze all their confidence out of them before the game.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Didn't the ABs surrender tries meekly under Hansen's tenure as well? I recall a certain SF against England. Chicago 2016. England in 2018 at Twickenham. Wallabies have made fast starts too. Maybe the opposition have spotted a flaw with the ABs.
McLeod was still defence coach then, too, since 17
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@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@stodders said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
The prime reason Foster is a poor coach, beyond the bizarre selections etc, is that his players never seem to be in the proper head space. During his time with the Chiefs they would consistently lose games they should have won, but do OK in games that no-one expected them to do well in. The time they made the final was the greatest example of his uselessness -- they were playing well and full of confidence. It took 20 minutes for them to get blown off the park. Clearly he had managed to squeeze all their confidence out of them before the game.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Didn't the ABs surrender tries meekly under Hansen's tenure as well? I recall a certain SF against England. Chicago 2016. England in 2018 at Twickenham. Wallabies have made fast starts too. Maybe the opposition have spotted a flaw with the ABs.
McLeod was still defence coach then, too, since 17
True. Why is it that 2 head coaches haven't seen fit to get rid of him?
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@stodders said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@stodders said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
The prime reason Foster is a poor coach, beyond the bizarre selections etc, is that his players never seem to be in the proper head space. During his time with the Chiefs they would consistently lose games they should have won, but do OK in games that no-one expected them to do well in. The time they made the final was the greatest example of his uselessness -- they were playing well and full of confidence. It took 20 minutes for them to get blown off the park. Clearly he had managed to squeeze all their confidence out of them before the game.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Didn't the ABs surrender tries meekly under Hansen's tenure as well? I recall a certain SF against England. Chicago 2016. England in 2018 at Twickenham. Wallabies have made fast starts too. Maybe the opposition have spotted a flaw with the ABs.
McLeod was still defence coach then, too, since 17
True. Why is it that 2 head coaches haven't seen fit to get rid of him?
Cos they are all one big cosy family
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@Crucial well the BS coming out about Fozzie, Assistants and Cane are of more concern...its a circus.
As I said, fair enough delaying the side for whatever reasons, but then have this other info 'leak'.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial well the BS coming out about Fozzie, Assistants and Cane are of more concern...its a circus.
As I said, fair enough delaying the side for whatever reasons, but then have this other info 'leak'.
Fronting up is bad for your mental health, apparently
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@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening.Bollocks mate. Why don't they just come out and say that then? Cos they're useless and don't respect their supporters, or that is not what is happening? Either way, it is rubbish. No communication sucks, is not acceptable
And you know what is happening behind the scenes?
Let's say I'm right and the plan was to have a presser early this afternoon. But now it is unknown who can make it and when. Do they announce early then keep pushing it back? Assemble the wolves and leave them waiting while someone is hoping on a flight? Or wait until maybe mid morning before telling people that's what is happening.
Also if you can't tell the full story you don't give out parts that sets for more speculation.
Why does it upset you so much?
From what I have heard there is a very valid reason why an announcement hasn't been made yet (one of possibly quite a few). One that I respect. They have a duty as an employer way before a duty to the public or press. -
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will". -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial well the BS coming out about Fozzie, Assistants and Cane are of more concern...its a circus.
As I said, fair enough delaying the side for whatever reasons, but then have this other info 'leak'.
I absolutely agree and said so way back in the thread. Leaks only cause speculation and bullshit assumptions.
NZR may possibly be responsible for allowing a leak but then, as we know, NZ is a small place and little bits of info spread quickly and join together.
I have heard some strong info from a close source (not a leak at all) but aren't spreading it partly because I don't know if it is true, partly because there is a little 1+1=3 going on and mostly because, if true, I respect the reasons for keeping quiet on it. -
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
You obviously think getting into the right head-space or fired up-ednes is not something a top-level player like an incumbent All Black need take any responsibility for - that's all down to the coach.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Well, it's obviously Foster's fault isn't it? The idiot probably trusted his highly-paid professional rugby players to think for themselves and take some responsibility for getting themselves into the right frame of mind for a game.
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