SA vs refs
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@Victor-Meldrew said in SA vs refs:
@Bones said in SA vs refs:
@Victor-Meldrew said in SA vs refs:
@Bones said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 ever lived in the UK Dan? You are absolutely made to be a rugby fan over here.
Yeah. The England supporters are just as good as everywhere else. It's the "fans" and "Twickers is a social event old chap" who give the game a bad rep.
Oh my Facebook is full of holier than thou rugby clubbers.
You need to be bit more discerning who you allow as friends...
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@Bones said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 ever lived in the UK Dan? You are absolutely made to be a rugby fan over here.
No mate, never lived there. Lived in Aus for a fair while, but for first 40 odd years grew up learnt all my rugby and had all my beliefs on game instilled in me in NZ.
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@OomPB said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 Saffers copy the Kiwis when it come to Barnes.
Rugby World Cup: Kiwi fans go online to vent their spleen at referee Barnes
Rugby World Cup: New Zealand fans are blaming Steve Barnes for their elimination on an abusive web page.
I personally rate Rassie as a coach, he achieved a lot with the Springboks but I will never agree with ref bashing in any way.
Thats more an Aussie thing. They dont watch rugby, they watch the ref.
Amen Oom, I was alawys amused in Aussie the number of games I went to especially at club level, the people would say , "oh you wull win this ref hates us", and it wasn't unusual for both clubs to say it in same match (including one I coached), it used to infuriate me how much time many spent watching so called refs cock ups, and not notice the players ones!
And I used to go to Suncorp a hell of a lot, and was amazed how many people in stands could see which prop (200ms away) was causing problems in scrum, how when play was down other end of field they could calculate who was off side etc, just spent whole game seemingly screaming at ref. -
@Dan54 said in SA vs refs:
@Bones said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 ever lived in the UK Dan? You are absolutely made to be a rugby fan over here.
No mate, never lived there. Lived in Aus for a fair while, but for first 40 odd years grew up learnt all my rugby and had all my beliefs on game instilled in me in NZ.
What you mean by rugby fans in England anyway?I think he means that the English fan in general is very supportive of their club and their team. Booing and getting on the backs of your own team is not considered reasonable behaviour from true supporters
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@canefan said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 said in SA vs refs:
@Bones said in SA vs refs:
@Dan54 ever lived in the UK Dan? You are absolutely made to be a rugby fan over here.
No mate, never lived there. Lived in Aus for a fair while, but for first 40 odd years grew up learnt all my rugby and had all my beliefs on game instilled in me in NZ.
What you mean by rugby fans in England anyway?I think he means that the English fan in general is very supportive of their club and their team. Booing and getting on the backs of your own team is not considered reasonable behaviour from true supporters
Whilst I find this to be true, we also tend to get a lot of bandwagon jumpers when things are going well. These are usually loud, obnoxious, jingoistic and know fuck all about the game. See also cricket.
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@Catogrande they also have long legged equines.
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I know this is is really quite petty ..... but ...
What really gets my goat, as an NZer, is that on places like reddit or other social media; comments on subjects like this one, will by about the 3rd comment, pipe in with the received wisdom that Barnes got death threats by NZ fans after the 2007 QF. And it never gets challenged, it is now the 'new truth' it seems. It is, in fact, a misappropriation of the South Africa V Australia 2011 QF and Bryce Lawrence getting a death threat and then retiring.
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@Rapido said in SA vs refs:
I know this is is really quite petty ..... but ...
What really gets my goat, as an NZer, is that on places like reddit or other social media; comments on subjects like this one, will by about the 3rd comment, pipe in with the received wisdom that Barnes got death threats by NZ fans after the 2007 QF. And it never gets challenged, it is now the 'new truth' it seems. It is, in fact, a misappropriation of the South Africa V Australia 2011 QF and Bryce Lawrence getting a death threat and then retiring.
Furthermore GH refused to publicly blame Barnes for our defeat
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@canefan said in SA vs refs:
@Rapido said in SA vs refs:
I know this is is really quite petty ..... but ...
What really gets my goat, as an NZer, is that on places like reddit or other social media; comments on subjects like this one, will by about the 3rd comment, pipe in with the received wisdom that Barnes got death threats by NZ fans after the 2007 QF. And it never gets challenged, it is now the 'new truth' it seems. It is, in fact, a misappropriation of the South Africa V Australia 2011 QF and Bryce Lawrence getting a death threat and then retiring.
Furthermore GH refused to publicly blame Barnes for our defeat
Well, he did eventually. 5 years later when he retired and had a book to sell.
Shedloads better than making his own youtube videos during test weeks, I grant, but eventually he/we lost our lilly-white place on that high horse.
But, a book with no chapter on that game would have been 'interesting' .... so, whadayado?
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@Rapido said in SA vs refs:
@canefan said in SA vs refs:
@Rapido said in SA vs refs:
I know this is is really quite petty ..... but ...
What really gets my goat, as an NZer, is that on places like reddit or other social media; comments on subjects like this one, will by about the 3rd comment, pipe in with the received wisdom that Barnes got death threats by NZ fans after the 2007 QF. And it never gets challenged, it is now the 'new truth' it seems. It is, in fact, a misappropriation of the South Africa V Australia 2011 QF and Bryce Lawrence getting a death threat and then retiring.
Furthermore GH refused to publicly blame Barnes for our defeat
Well, he did eventually. 5 years later when he retired and had a book to sell.
Shedloads better than making his own youtube videos during test weeks, I grant, but eventually he/we lost our lilly-white place on that high horse.
But, a book with no chapter on that game would have been 'interesting' .... so, whadayado?
Calling Barnes out on clear and obvious blame for our loss 5 years later? No problem with that personally. What Rassie is doing, whipping the fans up against the refs post match is poor form
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@Rapido said in SA vs refs:
Yeah, I agree TBH.
I'm sounding a bit sanctimonious there. Henry handled himself 40000% better than I did.
Writing a book after he retires is a perfectly normal action.
Hell I've retired, am I meant to write a book??
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We all wonder from time to time how the performance of referee's is reviewed.
This is from the article below:
“Within certain sections of the fan community, there’s a lack of understanding of the depth of performance review we go through.
“We are Test match performers and just like a world-class team the reviews and learning are deep and detailed. Post-match most of the referees will get the live notes straight away – either directly from Joel or from the match assessor.
“You will get some feedback from your coach who is actually watching it very carefully from the screen and an overall comment on what was the topline feeling and maybe some notes on the big decisions and their outcomes.”He's right that there isn't a sufficient understanding of the performance review of test referees, but I think that World Rugby, SANZAAR and all other organisations responsible for organising international tours, tournaments and competitions could themselves improve that understanding by more openess about both that review process and the results of that process. That doesn't have to, and shouldn't, happen by throwing a referee under the bus like they've done in the past with a referee like Angus Gardner, but more openess could - hopefully - prevent the likes of Rassie Erasmus from venting his own inflammatory "reviews" on social media. It won't stop all the morons who threatened Wayne Barnes and his family from doing the same to the next ref that officiates a game of their team (especially when that team loses), but it may help a bit.
