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  • No QuarterN Online
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    God that was so obvious at the time as well. Do we play veterans Beauden and Smith at 10/15, or do we throw an unproven rookie in at 10 and play Beauden out of position? Poor selections really cost us that cup.

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    @Kiwiwomble Hansen admits he gets his selection wrong for the semi final in a pursuit of trying to get dual play makers to succeed.

    NZR decide its best to continue by giving Foster the job because he will follow Hansen's glorious lead and maintain consistency

    Fast forward 2022 and what have we learnt..? lol..this is a dark comedy indeed

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    @No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    God that was so obvious at the time as well. Do we play veterans Beauden and Smith at 10/15, or do we throw an unproven rookie in at 10 and play Beauden out of position? Poor selections really cost us that cup.

    I've said it before, but after spending years banging the "Experience" drum, Hansen more or less abandoned it at the final hurdle.

    He could have fielded Beauden, Reiko, SBW, Crotty and Smith - but, he went with the relative rookies Richie, Sevu, ALB, Goodhue, Bridge and Beauden - as well as the SBarrett/Cane shift in the forwards.

    I wonder how many of those guys he would change if he had his time again - two (Cane and Smith) he's apparently specified.

    At the time it seemed like he was picking on form, but it was a bit odd that he left his drum behind.

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    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    Ireland run the same attack religiously, it has like 2 variations.

    What are those variations?

    Seriously?

    I was asking you because, unlike me, you seem to know something about rugby.
    I'm meaning their attack patterns.
    Was interested in what they actually are.

    Ok it's obviously way more complicated than this but

    Check out videos from their tour to NZ. They compress their attack in to like half the field. And they either hit forwards running unders angles if the defence stays strung out across the field, or they use their backs running loops to outflank you if you compress.

    This way they exploit where you are weakest. It works because they have great forward runners and their timing is excellent. If they had real pace at 13 they would carve teams. R Ioane at 13 for Ireland would be fucking lethal with the space they create.

    The Maori actually stopped it a few times by spot tackling the looping player. But the ABs struggled with that.

    The Maori played with much more of a rush, as they appeared to have a defense coach and system appropriate to the 21st century, and unsurprisingly caused that pattern a few more problems.

    Helped by the Irish tram that was put out not being as powerful up front or crisp in their passing.

    But yes, our defensive pattern actually plays in to the Irish hands as we like to isolate our wingers and rely on the centre holding in then using pace to cover. Ireland exploit that very seam.

    I think our defence worked better when Ioane was on the wing because out there he knew how to defend using the side line. Not sure he’s got the defending the space in that sort of attacking pattern when he’s in the centre position, down pat.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    Ireland run the same attack religiously, it has like 2 variations.

    What are those variations?

    Seriously?

    I was asking you because, unlike me, you seem to know something about rugby.
    I'm meaning their attack patterns.
    Was interested in what they actually are.

    Ok it's obviously way more complicated than this but

    Check out videos from their tour to NZ. They compress their attack in to like half the field. And they either hit forwards running unders angles if the defence stays strung out across the field, or they use their backs running loops to outflank you if you compress.

    This way they exploit where you are weakest. It works because they have great forward runners and their timing is excellent. If they had real pace at 13 they would carve teams. R Ioane at 13 for Ireland would be fucking lethal with the space they create.

    The Maori actually stopped it a few times by spot tackling the looping player. But the ABs struggled with that.

    The Maori played with much more of a rush, as they appeared to have a defense coach and system appropriate to the 21st century, and unsurprisingly caused that pattern a few more problems.

    Helped by the Irish tram that was put out not being as powerful up front or crisp in their passing.

    But yes, our defensive pattern actually plays in to the Irish hands as we like to isolate our wingers and rely on the centre holding in then using pace to cover. Ireland exploit that very seam.

    I think our defence worked better when Ioane was on the wing because out there he knew how to defend using the side line. Not sure he’s got the defending the space in that sort of attacking pattern when he’s in the centre position, down pat.

    i used to think it was Ioane until i saw ALB, a very experienced centre, defending in exactly the same way. I think our 13s are being asked to do something that looks whack to us.

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    @mariner4life it was interesting in that Melbourne Bledisloe watching Clarke and Ioane effectively change positions in the set piece defensive line with Clarke coming in closer and Ioane out wider towards the side line. Not that it made a difference because Clarke got smoked.

    Post Nonu/Smith our best defensive midfield has been Crotty/ALB. Played both the drift and direct attack well.

    Whether it’s personnel or pattern, something has to change quickly.

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    @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    What a pile of waffle

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    @Machpants agreed..."alot of nations are moving early and did so in the last cycle too"...maybe, they didnt move early, you were just late?

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    @Machpants Yep.

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    @Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    What a pile of waffle

    No problems we still have Fozzie to reappoint after the WC,For another 4 years.

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    @Chris 🤢

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    @Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    What a pile of waffle

    Why? What do you want him to say? They are talking with Scott Robertson etc, mate if we got to appoint coaches because they may go somewhere else f*** em, I'll take a coach who wants to coach ABs. They not going to say we got Robertson lined up , as it closes doors on others, like Jamie Joseph. Everyone know that Robertson is contracted to NZR until 2024 anyway, so obviously holding him to then,!

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    @Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.

    It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...

    Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)

    Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.

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    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by
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    @taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.

    It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...

    Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)

    Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.

    Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
    They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.

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    @Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.

    It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...

    Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)

    Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.

    Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
    They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.

    This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps 😉 ) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.

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    @Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.

    It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...

    Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)

    Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.

    Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
    They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.

    This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps 😉 ) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.

    Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
    Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.

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    So Chirs name your board that would be the answer. The easiest thing to do is tell everyone how useless a board is that is appointed by all the provinces etc that run ruby in the country, without telling us who all the good people are who are missing out on job. The thing is mate, I don't know any sport that the public who sit in background thingk is really well run.

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  • boobooB Do not disturb
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    booboo
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    Our Board

    Our Board

    Our Board is charged with setting strategy, direction and policy for New Zealand Rugby, and is ultimately responsible for the decisions and actions of NZR Management and Staff.

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    @taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

    @Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.

    It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...

    Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)

    Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.

    Made sense to me to say what he did, not give hints or anything. Just something I believe, if there no news , don't make it up etc. He was asked a question, and answered that they are talking to people that are relevant.
    Not sure what that means is it doesn't mean they started. I always thought that when they signed Razor until 2024. If they had no interest they wouldn't of done that surely. They probably also need to see where people like Jamie Joseph etc stand . I don't need anymore info than that myself.

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