Foster, Robertson etc
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@Dan54 not saying something didnt make sense, just all the incompetence in the past 18 months or so from Robinson, he now has the chance to stand up and show some leadership as the CEO of NZR, rather than acting like a politician.
Dont expect him to show all his cards, but at least be straight about it, instead of the vague politician answers, people dont trust our politicians, yet we have the CEO of NZR behaving like one
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@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Anyone have a sense of what these guys get paid for Crusaders HC, AB HC, and England HC?
This for England coach
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Anyone have a sense of what these guys get paid for Crusaders HC, AB HC, and England HC?
This for England coach
https://www.totalsportal.com/rugby/six-nations-championship-head-coaches-salaries/I don't think the money is primarily important for Razor. Give him the job and he will gladly accept, for the honour and glory of coaching the ABs
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Anyone have a sense of what these guys get paid for Crusaders HC, AB HC, and England HC?
This for England coach
https://www.totalsportal.com/rugby/six-nations-championship-head-coaches-salaries/I don't think the money is primarily important for Razor. Give him the job and he will gladly accept, for the honour and glory of coaching the ABs
Yep Totally agree Its a job if the NZR don't want him.
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@Chris wow, Townsend and Pivac get £300,000 and £500,000 respectively for World Cup Qualification?
Surely thats more than just qualifying for the RWC, more likely quarter finals?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris wow, Townsend and Pivac get £300,000 and £500,000 respectively for World Cup Qualification?
Surely thats more than just qualifying for the RWC, more likely quarter finals?
You would think so it’s a big business in Europe now.
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
Sorry I should have added High Performance experience.Would you like to name them and tell me why you don't think have rugby nous?
Most of them because they have proved it.
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@Chris So basically you don't have answer, just having a moan. And not even getting things quite right. When were Aussie told they could only have 3 teams by NZR? Thay let actually asked all coaches who wanted to apply a few months before, I think they one they wanted Schmidt needed a break, only really Jamie Joseph was tied up to a test team (and he's who I wanted). You are guessing the stuff about Razor etc is true, and have seen where it was fairly catergorically wrong, and was mainly rumours .I personally don't know of anyone who is better to run NZR, if I had suggestions I would make them.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Anyone have a sense of what these guys get paid for Crusaders HC, AB HC, and England HC?
This for England coach
https://www.totalsportal.com/rugby/six-nations-championship-head-coaches-salaries/I don't think the money is primarily important for Razor. Give him the job and he will gladly accept, for the honour and glory of coaching the ABs
Yep Totally agree Its a job if the NZR don't want him.
Well why have NZR contracted him then?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 not saying something didnt make sense, just all the incompetence in the past 18 months or so from Robinson, he now has the chance to stand up and show some leadership as the CEO of NZR, rather than acting like a politician.
Dont expect him to show all his cards, but at least be straight about it, instead of the vague politician answers, people dont trust our politicians, yet we have the CEO of NZR behaving like one
Understand what you saying, but I like the idea of saying bugger all.
I get pissed with jokers like the RA chairman McLennan, who is making statement seemingly every few weeks that are basically shit ie; NZR and RA are discussing a Baabaas team for when Lions are in Aus, NZR say hang on we already making plans with France, he mentioned something in last 30 seconds of a meeting, when the Super discussions were on saying we are going to go alone (too bad they got no money etc) etc, hell he even told us all Marinos wan't on shortlist for CEO job, a couple of weeks before he got job. Sometimes it pays to stay stum, and personally I prefer that.
I can assure you all that RU in England , Welsh Rugby union, SA rugby union are all seemingly doing a poor job , mainly because they haven't got coaches etc a few people on the net don't want. -
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris So basically you don't have answer, just having a moan. And not even getting things quite right. When were Aussie told they could only have 3 teams by NZR? Thay let actually asked all coaches who wanted to apply a few months before, I think they one they wanted Schmidt needed a break, only really Jamie Joseph was tied up to a test team (and he's who I wanted). You are guessing the stuff about Razor etc is true, and have seen where it was fairly catergorically wrong, and was mainly rumours .I personally don't know of anyone who is better to run NZR, if I had suggestions I would make them.
I do know about the Razor situation because a mate of mine was sounded out for the Crusaders asst coaching job at the time because Scott Hansen was going with him.
I also have a relative in the Strength and conditions set up at the Crusaders.
Fuck me it was well documented the spat with Australia about telling them they only could have 3 teams when SA and Argentina were dumped where have you been it was all over the media Google it. -
@Chris Mate I heard the release of all the Aritipu report, where the report said the ideal number they reckoned was 8-10 teams, with all teams showing they had the playing ability and financial abilty to compete ( and I thought that made huge sense), and they were hoping for at least 1 PI team. Anyone who wasn't hysterical would of know when it was done (and by super franchises mainly) that Australia had only 4 teams in Super rugby and there was a lot of discussion in Aus about the need to drop one as they were broke ( surviving on advance from WR on moneys to be paid for next WC) plus struggling for player depth. But even without that, 5 NZ teams and 4 existing Aus teams plus a PI team equalled 10 teams when I went to school, but when I heard Robinson announce it on tv he said clearly 8-10 team was considered ideal, but not set in stone.
I doubt whether Force would of ever been invited back in without covid coming about so the comp had to split, and Force boss binned the Asian comp they were starting.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris Mate I heard the release of all the Aritipu report, where the report said the ideal number they reckoned was 8-10 teams, with all teams showing they had the playing ability and financial abilty to compete, and they were hoping for at least 1 PI team. Anyone who wasn't hysterical would of know when it was done (and by super franchises mainly) that Australia had only 4 teams in Super rugby and there was a lot of discussion in Aus about the need to drop one as they were broke and struggling for player depth. But even without that, 5 NZ teams and 4 existing Aus teams plus a PI team equalled 10 teams when I went to school, but when I heard Robinson announce it on tv he said clearly 8-10 team was considered ideal, but not set in stone.
I doubt whether Force would of ever been invited back in without covid coming about so the comp had to split, and Force boss binned the Asian comp they were starting.This from the article below he chairman of RA, Hamish McLennan, has told his New Zealand counterpart that next season's Super Rugby Pacific could be the last, with RA considering a domestic competition in its place.
The relationship between the two nations has been strained since 2020, when New Zealand argued an eight team competition should include just two Australian franchises.And this from another Article
Back in 2020, when New Zealand Rugby tried to pull off a Super Rugby heist, unilaterally declaring ownership of the competition and telling Australia they could apply for a maximum of three licenses,https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/gregor-paul-the-team-that-must-be-chopped-to-save-super-
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@Chris haha Chris how many times had McLennan supposedly said RA would be having a domestic comp, it seemed every 2 weeks, they were never going to do it, they need NZR money to run the 5 teams they got now, no way were they going to have a so called expanded domestic comp on a $25-30 mill tv deal(and even that deal wasn't signed by Stan until the super pacific comp was agreed) no matter how much they charged kids to play game in Aus.. As I said you do remember that RA had to go cap in hand to WR to get an advance of WC money to survive in 2020.
I heard Robinson announce the idea of super and there was no mention of Aus having to only have 3 teams, also said there it was thought that 8-10 team comp was optimum, and wanted to set up a seperate board with RA to run it. I didn't get it from a Gregor Paul write up, but actually was watching as it was released. All the super coaches were cringing at the thought of a domestic 5 team comp. knowing they wouldn't hold players etc.
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