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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    I'm hoping we see a repeat of 2015 when leading into the WC TJP was probably Smith's backup but TKB was the better option and played in the knockout games.

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    @KiwiMurph yeah I've watched both of them a few times live now aswell and Roigard is far superior in my view. When watching him against the Crusaders up close in the pre-season game this year in Levin, I think I mentioned at the time he would be an All Black this year. His running game is top notch, his passing game is accurate, he has a gigantic boot and he isn't afraid to have a crack.

    He made a few players look really silly in that game and then went on to have a great season for the Canes. I hope he gets more opportunity to show what he has in Dunners this weekend because we've seen enough to know what Christie offers at test level.

    Christie might be more experienced but Roigard is by far the better player. Someone mentioned in the media that Roigard reminded them of the late and great Joost VW.

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    @Chris-B said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @MiketheSnow

    Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for lineout players is the mark of touch. After that, their offside line is a line through the ball.

    Thanks

    BBBR had certainly closed the gap

    Ball hair for SB

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    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.

    Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.

    20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.

    They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.

    This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.

    I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.

    Most importantly, he's also not a ginga. Those people can never be totally trusted.

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  • TheMojomanT Offline
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    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.

    Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.

    20mins against a fading Wallaby side down to 14 for most of that time probably isn’t a great benchmark. I think we should get away from the whole “shiny new object” whenever someone has a good cameo.

    They’ve invested time into Christie. He’s performed well and now has the experience. I’d feel more comfortable with Christie coming on in a big game behind Smith rather than a raw Roigard.

    This isn't shiny new toy stuff. I've watched Roigard and Christie both play twice live this year and the difference between the two is stark. The mechanics of Roigard's game are superior to Christie. He's a far more accurate passer, he's a far better kicker, he's a better sniper and he makes far fewer errors.

    I have no doubt you are correct and Christie is penciled in as the bench 9 for the big games but I don't agree with it.

    He may well be superior but you’re talking about Super rugby. Roigard’s body of work in the black jersey is 20mins against a beaten Wallabies side whereas Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected. You don’t drop a player under those circumstances.

    Look at Shaun Stevenson. He was the form Super fullback by a country mile yet he can’t unseat BB in the black jersey. I get BB has a 100+ tests under his belt but the same principle applies.

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    @NTA said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Ha! That's a low bar for many 😉

    It is still a bar. Still have to reach over the top for the free beer 🙂

    On the Wallabies, the talent seems there, what struck me though is Eddie didn't seem to know how to use it. Seemed like he was trying to implant an overseas style onto them and it wasn't working or maybe that was due to key injuries and players out of position...

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    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Christie has played 16 tests and by all accounts has played well enough to continue to be selected.

    He has continued to be selected because the selectors have been keen to move on from Weber and Perenara and there was a lack of better alternatives outside those known quantities.

    Roigard should be given as many minutes as possible because, if, God forbid, something happens to Aaron Smith, we want our BEST halfback starting, not some guy who has been passable at best.

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  • boobooB Do not disturb
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    @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.

    Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.

    Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.

    He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.

    I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.

    But he seems more composed that Christie.

    I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.

    My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.

    Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.

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    @booboo said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @Winger said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @KiwiMurph said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    @TheMojoman said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Cam is the 3rd option. Let him develop as such. Unless he can be outstanding and give us something we don’t have now I’d stick with Smith/Christie.

    Roigard offered something different to Christie last night. His speed and accuracy of pass was a huge reason the ABs didnt have their typical late game fade.

    Agree. The team really stepped up when Roigard came on. Maybe a coincidence but maybe not. Starting him next week will give the coaches a much better idea.

    He's at a different level to Christie. I think Roigard has the potential to be a future great like Smith. Christie looks only ok to me.

    I didn't watch as much of the Hurricanes games (sober) as some others, so haven't bought into the Roigard hype.

    But he seems more composed that Christie.

    I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.

    My conspiracy theory and I'm sticking with it.

    Smith Webber, Roigard in that order for me.

    Webber is a baffling one. I can't believe that Fozz would choose the ginga over him

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    Maybe Christie fits their game plan better? But Weber seems more assertive to me, I'd prefer him.

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    #1215

    Eddie’s press conference to enjoy, especially if you are Dave Rennie.

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    @sparky said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    Eddie’s press conference to enjoy, especially if you are Dave Rennie.

    Thought he was honest and direct

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    replied to Chris B. on last edited by
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    @Chris-B in addition to the other stats the AB’s discipline has been noticeable and to not have had any cards in the RC is impressive.

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  • G Offline
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    #1218

    Aussies play that well they can still make the RWC final.

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  • Windows97W Offline
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    3 good games in a row from the AB's - dare we hope??

    Loved how we were physical and disciplined esp. on D and then put the points on at the end of each half.

    Great micro-skills too, that quick short ball passing under pressure in the backline was impressive.

    Roigard looked good when he came on, pass was like bullet and he was quick to the ruck. Hope he gets more game-time to see what he's made of.

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  • Windows97W Offline
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    And that hit by SB still makes me laugh even now 🙂

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    @booboo said in Australia v All Blacks - Bled I:

    I do wonder if they left Webber out as they know he was No.2 and they've been testing these two.

    Pretty doubtful.

    They left him out of all the AB squads last year, as well.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    Biggest negative in the match was the cleanout work of the tight five. I don't think it's a personnel issue as it's happened multiple times in the last few years with different players involved. It's like we have too many players holding width for the next phase and we become easy to disrupt.

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  • Rancid SchnitzelR Offline
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    I'd imagine Weber's issue is his lack of size? Want a bigger 9 to close out the games?

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Meant add in here, I thought Tom Hooper was pretty good at 7 for Wallabies, seemed to be a menace on defence etc!

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