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    @No-Quarter I’m sorry, but anyone who would select Akira over Blackadder would have a good argument for being committed.

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    @Stag Could say the same for people going the other way.

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    @tkh said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 literally all you offer as an argument is an appeal to authority. It's a well known logical fallacy. It's a bit odd for someone who follows rugby as much as you do.

    Sorry mate, I not sure what you responding too.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    which trophies did the ABs not win?

    Funnily enough the ABs have won or retained all trophies they play for under Foz! Actually up to this satge is most successful AB coach at that since turn of the century!

    Except the Qatar Cup.

    I had thought of that, but didn't bother because noone else ever won it, or will win it again as it a oncer. The only trophies as such are Freedom cup, Bled, Tri Nations (even that doesn't count as a one of) and rugby championship.
    Mate it was a lighthearted thing anyway, just saying how looking back in history his record will look alright.

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    @frugby said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Luatua wasn't wanted for some ungodly reason

    I know why they wanted Fifita, incredibly gifted, but they couldn't get the balance right. Akira very similar. PGS should never have been picked.

    I am very interested in what the side looks like next year.

    Not sure if it occurs straight away, but by the next World Cup, I expect to see Gardiner and Haig dueling for the six jersey, Lakai, Papalii, Ardie, Suafoa, Grace, Withy, Flanders, Lio-Willie, Broughton, Sititi are the others I think will be in that loose forward picture... excuse me if I have forgotten someone.

    Stodart, Delaney, TK Howden, Hicks, Segner ...

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    Maybe we should just add all loosies running around in NPC, SR U20 and 1st XV rugby for completeness?

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    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

    Maybe we should just add all loosies running around in NPC, SR U20 and 1st XV rugby for completeness?

    Yeah, I mean as a one-eyed Otago fan, I thought Stodart had an outstanding debut. But that was 70 minutes vs a rotated version of the 10th best team in the competition. Segner perhaps could kick on too, but I've seen nothing out of Delaney, Hicks and Howden that says All Black.

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    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    which trophies did the ABs not win?

    Funnily enough the ABs have won or retained all trophies they play for under Foz! Actually up to this satge is most successful AB coach at that since turn of the century!

    Except the Qatar Cup.

    I had thought of that, but didn't bother because noone else ever won it, or will win it again as it a oncer. The only trophies as such are Freedom cup, Bled, Tri Nations (even that doesn't count as a one of) and rugby championship.
    Mate it was a lighthearted thing anyway, just saying how looking back in history his record will look alright.

    It's the bolded bit that everyone is taking issue with.

    Even if we were to win this RWC, history will not forget that we had never lost to Ireland. That we had never lost to Argentina. That we had never lost at home to Ireland. That we had never lost a home series to Ireland.

    (c) @reprobate , I couldn't be bothered retyping so just pasted your words 😎

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    On the replacement player - fringe loosies have been named to play this weekend (Ioane & Blackadder). Tuipulotu is missing from the Auckland 23 haven't heard anything about him being injured

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

    On the replacement player - fringe loosies have been named to play this weekend (Ioane & Blackadder). Tuipulotu is missing from the Auckland 23 haven't heard anything about him being injured

    Believe he is serving a one match suspension for doing his post match interview with his mouthguard in.

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    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    which trophies did the ABs not win?

    Funnily enough the ABs have won or retained all trophies they play for under Foz! Actually up to this satge is most successful AB coach at that since turn of the century!

    Except the Qatar Cup.

    I had thought of that, but didn't bother because noone else ever won it, or will win it again as it a oncer. The only trophies as such are Freedom cup, Bled, Tri Nations (even that doesn't count as a one of) and rugby championship.
    Mate it was a lighthearted thing anyway, just saying how looking back in history his record will look alright.

    It's the bolded bit that everyone is taking issue with.

    Even if we were to win this RWC, history will not forget that we had never lost to Ireland. That we had never lost to Argentina. That we had never lost at home to Ireland. That we had never lost a home series to Ireland.

    (c) @reprobate , I couldn't be bothered retyping so just pasted your words 😎

    Funnily enough, history will forget, without looking it up,can you tell me when the first time we didn't beat Argentina, the first time we didn't beat Ireland etc, how long it took to win a series in SA. It's important to some now, but genuinely mainly to people who have only followed ABs since turn of century kind of thing.
    Though to be fair, I know some people remember negative things only, and thats how it is. And in all sports, history is there but it's only important for now in sport.
    As I said, do you remeber that Crusaders won Super Pac, or that they lost to Fijian Drua?

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    replied to Dan54 on last edited by
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    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    which trophies did the ABs not win?

    Funnily enough the ABs have won or retained all trophies they play for under Foz! Actually up to this satge is most successful AB coach at that since turn of the century!

    Except the Qatar Cup.

    I had thought of that, but didn't bother because noone else ever won it, or will win it again as it a oncer. The only trophies as such are Freedom cup, Bled, Tri Nations (even that doesn't count as a one of) and rugby championship.
    Mate it was a lighthearted thing anyway, just saying how looking back in history his record will look alright.

    It's the bolded bit that everyone is taking issue with.

    Even if we were to win this RWC, history will not forget that we had never lost to Ireland. That we had never lost to Argentina. That we had never lost at home to Ireland. That we had never lost a home series to Ireland.

    (c) @reprobate , I couldn't be bothered retyping so just pasted your words 😎

    Funnily enough, history will forget, without looking it up,can you tell me when the first time we didn't beat Argentina, the first time we didn't beat Ireland etc, how long it took to win a series in SA. It's important to some now, but genuinely mainly to people who have only followed ABs since turn of century kind of thing.
    Though to be fair, I know some people remember negative things only, and thats how it is. And in all sports, history is there but it's only important for now in sport.
    As I said, do you remeber that Crusaders won Super Pac, or that they lost to Fijian Drua?

    Christ you're a painful apologist Dan

    It doesn't matter what the date was, it matters that it fucking happened

    People still perform plays about us losing to Munster, I don't know what I had for dinner that day either.

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    replied to voodoo on last edited by
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    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    which trophies did the ABs not win?

    Funnily enough the ABs have won or retained all trophies they play for under Foz! Actually up to this satge is most successful AB coach at that since turn of the century!

    Except the Qatar Cup.

    I had thought of that, but didn't bother because noone else ever won it, or will win it again as it a oncer. The only trophies as such are Freedom cup, Bled, Tri Nations (even that doesn't count as a one of) and rugby championship.
    Mate it was a lighthearted thing anyway, just saying how looking back in history his record will look alright.

    It's the bolded bit that everyone is taking issue with.

    Even if we were to win this RWC, history will not forget that we had never lost to Ireland. That we had never lost to Argentina. That we had never lost at home to Ireland. That we had never lost a home series to Ireland.

    (c) @reprobate , I couldn't be bothered retyping so just pasted your words 😎

    Funnily enough, history will forget, without looking it up,can you tell me when the first time we didn't beat Argentina, the first time we didn't beat Ireland etc, how long it took to win a series in SA. It's important to some now, but genuinely mainly to people who have only followed ABs since turn of century kind of thing.
    Though to be fair, I know some people remember negative things only, and thats how it is. And in all sports, history is there but it's only important for now in sport.
    As I said, do you remeber that Crusaders won Super Pac, or that they lost to Fijian Drua?

    Christ you're a painful apologist Dan

    It doesn't matter what the date was, it matters that it fucking happened

    People still perform plays about us losing to Munster, I don't know what I had for dinner that day either.

    Haha , I didn't realise I was apologising for anyone, just think it's funny.

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    replied to voodoo on last edited by
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    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    we had never lost to Ireland

    To be fair, that was Hansen.

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    replied to booboo on last edited by
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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2023:

    @voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:

    we had never lost to Ireland

    To be fair, that was Hansen.

    Jeez, I was hardly going to fact check a fellow ferner was I!

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    replied to booboo on last edited by
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    @booboo yeah I know, details. just a list of things that matter more than another trophy vs Australia and sth Africa which we play every year vs a record that had stood for fucking ages.

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    History and legacies matter.

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    #2711

    And they matter to Argentina and Ireland
    It's been an aura-ble era.

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    wrote on last edited by Machpants
    #2712

    For those that slag off Stuff, at least their assessment of Foster is right

    Sure, winning the Cup would paper over a lot of the cracks that have appeared on the All Blacks’ facade (since the last two years of the Steve Hansen tenure, if we’re honest). And losing it would unleash the hounds, so to speak.

    this perplexing character who puffs his chest out in defiance when things are unravelling, yet twists himself into a knot at the mere hint of media criticism. He tells us he’s a fighter and survivor; yet he appears to have a thin exterior when the going gets tough. He has repeatedly undertaken his only in-depth media interviews in recent years with hand-picked friendly types happy to sing from the songbook.

    Yet he sulks when the narrative twists not his way, and has shunned critics who have challenged his record and ways. Some decisions, too, have been off beam, which he has either refused to acknowledge or sidestepped completely.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300964845/assessing-ian-foster-will-the-great-enigma-ride-off-with-the-rugby-world-cup-crown

    Some thing that is often brought up on here, and I endless spout, is that Late Hansen was when the rot started, and keeping Foster was the dumbest decision ever. Let's keep part of a failing regime 🙄

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

    For those that slag off Stuff, at least their assessment of Foster is right

    Sure, winning the Cup would paper over a lot of the cracks that have appeared on the All Blacks’ facade (since the last two years of the Steve Hansen tenure, if we’re honest). And losing it would unleash the hounds, so to speak.

    this perplexing character who puffs his chest out in defiance when things are unravelling, yet twists himself into a knot at the mere hint of media criticism. He tells us he’s a fighter and survivor; yet he appears to have a thin exterior when the going gets tough. He has repeatedly undertaken his only in-depth media interviews in recent years with hand-picked friendly types happy to sing from the songbook.

    Yet he sulks when the narrative twists not his way, and has shunned critics who have challenged his record and ways. Some decisions, too, have been off beam, which he has either refused to acknowledge or sidestepped completely.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300964845/assessing-ian-foster-will-the-great-enigma-ride-off-with-the-rugby-world-cup-crown

    Some thing that is often brought up on here, and I endless spout, is that Late Hansen was when the rot started, and keeping Foster was the dumbest decision ever. Let's keep part of a failing regime 🙄

    Lazy administration. That's the thing about continuity, it only makes sense if you are trying to carry on a winning culture

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