What are you listening to, right now................
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Watched a multi episode documentary on Punk the other week, and thus since then i've been listening to heaps. Yes lots of classic British and NY stuff (skipped most of the hard core era), but mostly the shit that ended up getting famous by being on all the surf videos i watched as a kid (and all off one fucking little record label!), Bad Religion, NOFX, Pennywise, early and good Offspring, Rancid. Dudes who just wanted to play fast and short. The first guys to make money from punk music, and people fucking HATED them for it.
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@mariner4life said in What are you listening to, right now................:
The first guys to make money from punk music
John Lydon says hi
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@dogmeat said in What are you listening to, right now................:
@mariner4life said in What are you listening to, right now................:
The first guys to make money from punk music
John Lydon says hi
that guy is faaaat now
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@dogmeat said in What are you listening to, right now................:
and a massive hypocrite
something about the way he spoke in the doco irritated me
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@dogmeat said in What are you listening to, right now................:
but rich
this is actually the point. A lot of those old school "punk icon" guys held up by massive piston wristed gibbons at the time as being "just in it for the music, not selling out" were actually loaded. Not all of them for sure, most of them ended up with fuck all, but the shit heaped on those new punk bands was hugely hypocritical.
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Lydon is a hypocrite about way more than the money or the sanctity of the project though.
His pacifism is arbitrary. His faux outrage is tiresome. He went on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here and then tried to do his anti-establishment schlock by calling the viewers fucking fluffybunnies. Talk about a bob each way. He comes across as an odious piston wristed gibbon.
The Bollocks is a great album though.
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Lydon has been relatively consistent throughout the years.. well, by rock star standards. I wouldn't expect some perfectly formed world view from an entertainer.
He gets a lot of crap from people who don't like the way his politics have appeared to move from the left to the right. However if you compare what he said back in the day it's quite similar. A distaste for the establishment and strain of social conservatism that came out of the working class culture. That doesn't fit in well within boomer orthodoxy that most other older musicians slavishly follow
@mariner4life "just in it for the music, not selling out" isn't that more about the US punk scene? Lydon made plenty of jokes about how well the Pistols did in the contract shenanigans. Also when McLaren asked him to write a song with a pretentious title "Submission" Lydon came back with a poppy song about a submarine mission.
There's such a huge difference between the UK punk scene and the LA one that followed. Pistols were basically a rock'n'roll band with an eccentric singer. They were well before my time, but I was always surprised when I did go back and listen to them how they didn't sound 'punk'
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@Duluth Very much the US scene as that's where the guys started to make money. And they all acknowledge that it's all because of Nirvana. And then it snowballed from there.
I listen to all those early punk bands and, other than playing fast, i don't reckon many of them sound the same, whether they were in the UK or New York.
One of the main takeways for me from the whole thing is, I Wanna Be Your Dog by the Stooges is nearly 55 years old!!!
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@mariner4life said in What are you listening to, right now................:
One of the main takeways for me from the whole thing is, I Wanna Be Your Dog by the Stooges is nearly 55 years old!!!
Here's a classic Stooges moment - more concerts should have a commentator
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@Duluth No he disrespected people who watch the reality show.
He also espouses pacifism but repeatedly threatens physical violence towards people he doesn't agree with.
Pistols are definitely first wave punk. Sure, the look was a big part of the UK movement but basically it was short, high-energy songs played loud and usually quite badly but with enthusiasm. That's exactly what punk was in the early days. Scores of bands were doing exactly the same. Later bands and the best of the originals quickly morphed into something different because they got better at songcraft and musicianship.
It sounds like a rock n roll band because that high energy enthusiastic youthful rebellion doesn't go away and surfaces again with every generation.
There were proto punk bands and songs in the 50's and 60's just like there were successive waves of 'punk' in the 90's and 2000's. How many waves you count is ordained by how generous your definition of punk is.
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@Duluth I should have said I agree with him, but my original mention of it was illustrating his hypocrisy - which is undeniable.
Personally I found him largely irrelevant from about 1978 on.
I only ever brought his name up as someone who had made a lot of money out of punk before the guys @mariner4life name checked
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1984-86 is absolutely peak Iron Maiden
Coming off Powerslave (their best album) in to the World Slavery Tour which becomes the best live album ever in Live After Death, and then they release Somewhere in Time, which while not their best album, you can tell they are at the peak of their playing ability (though a track listing including Caught Somewhere in Time, Wasted Years, and Stranger in a Strange Land is actually elite).
Maiden fucking rule.
Get fucked!! Live After Death has been pulled of Spotify!!
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in today's "shit i am getting old" moment, Dookie is nearly 30 years old. Jesus H Christ
Say what you want about Green Day, they're a fantastic band. They can play, the harmonies are excellent, and they write catchy tunes. Their drummer is fucking good too
Welcome to Paradise is a fucking excellent song
