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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
This doesn't surprise me given the recent emphasis on social media companies (particularly Meta) doing more to prevent youths sharing illegal activities for "likes" from peers. Nor the oft cited claims that increased media reporting leads to copycat crimes.
What is obvious to me is disengaged parents, failing education systems and perceived lack of consequences.
This is quite surprising to read.
Australia is almost presented as the bastion of perfection up here. Better weather, all the doctors fleeing for 300% salary increase, harmonious people etc. Is that not really the case?
A good pal who moved from London to Sydney said it's most true with the exceptions that Sydney seems to get more rain than rain forest these days and the public education is diabolical.
I guess the grass is always greener, we often look at relocating home, especially during the winter months and as the global tensions escalate, but every time I talk to my Dad about it, he says don't.
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@MajorRage It's not harmonious - Australians are descending into tribes and enclaves as multiculturalism finds itself with far too wide a base for common ground. Youth crime, armed home invasions etc.
Still, better than most places probably. But I feel that's an economic issue that will be sorely tested when we find there isn't another China to buy our iron ore and coal.
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@antipodean Interesting. I thought it may have some issues with the haves (property owners) and have nots (renters), but outside that, it would continue to just muck on through.
I think there will always be another buyer for Iron Ore / Coal.
Do the youth protest much about this with the global / climate ramifications? Government is too gutless to do shit about this here, as they are (pathetically) held hostage to the climate brigade.
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@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean Interesting. I thought it may have some issues with the haves (property owners) and have nots (renters), but outside that, it would continue to just muck on through.
Given the ludicrousness of property pricing in Australia, the rampant immigration and soaring rents, that's a touchy subject the government has belatedly come to appreciate the electorate's ire. Lucky for them an election is an aways, unlucky for them it's a surging tide of anger at least a decade and bipartisan in the making. Both major parties using it as a proxy to attempt to convince voters they're good economic managers by averting the spectre of a recession, despite the fact technically we've had a few in the last twenty years.
I think there will always be another buyer for Iron Ore / Coal.
Sure, but I feel not at the rate while China was pump priming its economy over the last few decades. Coal and iron accounted for ~45% of our exports in 2022. Once China has built everything twice over, who is going to take up the slack so governments can live fat, dumb and happy off the royalties?
Do the youth protest much about this with the global / climate ramifications? Government is too gutless to do shit about this here, as they are (pathetically) held hostage to the climate brigade.
Schoolkids took time off during the great Greta hysteria. I get the feeling that young people are genuinely more concerned with cost of living pressures, the real possibility they'll never own a house unless gifted one by inheritance, the obscene debt for a range of useless degrees and the idiocy of the generation that preceded them.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
I don't know MR, I think it's pretty good here. Harmonious and safe, by global standards. Weather is great.
Always issues to deal with, but I'd put it up against most places.
@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
I don't know MR, I think it's pretty good here. Harmonious and safe, by global standards. Weather is great.
Always issues to deal with, but I'd put it up against most places.
@MajorRage I'm with Babarian on the above.
Australia is great, and we are very lucky to live here. On almost any metric, we are lucky by international standards, and on the whole, better and better off as time goes on.
Sure things aren't perfect - we pay high taxes and property is expensive (especially here in Sydney) and there are growing tensions between certain groups (we might have multiculturalism but I would not say we have integration, if that makes sense). But on the whole, I wouldn't trade it (noting I've only ever lived in the UK, Oz and NZ). Safe, great weather, no threat of invasion, adequate healthcare.
I would also strongly disagree with this statement also "the public education is diabolical", there are some amazing public schools around. Not all of them obviously, but diabolical isn't the right term. The challenge those schools on the whole find is to attract and keep the best teachers. In the past there has been an "old boys network" where it's jobs for the boys if you come from the right school - but that's getting harder to maintain in the world of DEI and wokeness.
Oh, hang on, do you mean "public" like English public? As in, not public at all, but fee-paying private? If so, I can confirm that the schools are for the most part excellent, but most certainly are diabolically expensive!!!
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That’s more in line with what I thought which is why I found @antipodean comments surprising.
The diabolical schooling refers to state and it’s not from me, from the pal who relocated. A good friend also just relocated to Shield Snorters as she is very anti private schooling and was not happy with the Aussie system. I guess everywhere has its issues, some in pockets, some general.
I don’t fear invasion but I do sometimes look at macro things and long for the isolation of the South Pacific
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@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
That’s more in line with what I thought which is why I found @antipodean comments surprising.
The diabolical schooling refers to state and it’s not from me, from the pal who relocated. A good friend also just relocated to Shield Snorters as she is very anti private schooling and was not happy with the Aussie system. I guess everywhere has its issues, some in pockets, some general.
I don’t fear invasion but I do sometimes look at macro things and long for the isolation of the South Pacific
@antipodean lives in Canberra I believe - that city isn't real Australia
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Here, Public = Government school. By and large they're good, with a lot of variation depending on the socio-economic challenges. I was lucky enough to go to small public schools in rural areas, where a lot of the teaching staff are also long-term locals. My primary school (K-6 or ages 5-12) was ~50 kids. High School was just over 300.
Now, sadly, the K-6 school is under 20 kids and the high school < 200. Sign of the times in rural areas.
Private schools can be a divisive topic - some would say they receive too much government funding, when some public schools are struggling.
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@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
That’s more in line with what I thought which is why I found @antipodean comments surprising.
Those comments aren't much different from what I wrote. I just pointed to the clear direction things are taking.
The diabolical schooling refers to state and it’s not from me, from the pal who relocated. A good friend also just relocated to Shield Snorters as she is very anti private schooling and was not happy with the Aussie system. I guess everywhere has its issues, some in pockets, some general.
Possibly a reflection of the applicant in the last decade or so. It's no secret that there are teachers who are functionally illiterate - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/students-lowest-atar-scores-teaching-degree-offers-secret-report/10200666
I don’t fear invasion but I do sometimes look at macro things and long for the isolation of the South Pacific
The South China Sea is just to our north. If anything kicks off there Oz is rooted given an estimated one-third of global shipping transits through there. That and our dependence on foreign refineries, we'd quickly grind to a halt.
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And just in case anyone missed it, the Albanese Government via its eSafety Commissioner, has decided that X (twitter) must remove the video of the stabbing of bishop Emmanuel. Not just censor it in Australia, but around the world.
This call for censorship is bipartisan, which isn't surprising in the slightest, especially when you consider it's the child of the potato headed leader of the opposition.
I propose that another country demand that all videos of Australian politicians be deleted everywhere too. See if these halfwits get the point.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
And just in case anyone missed it, the Albanese Government via its eSafety Commissioner, has decided that X (twitter) must remove the video of the stabbing of bishop Emmanuel. Not just censor it in Australia, but around the world.
This call for censorship is bipartisan, which isn't surprising in the slightest, especially when you consider it's the child of the potato headed leader of the opposition.
I propose that another country demand that all videos of Australian politicians be deleted everywhere too. See if these halfwits get the point.
I am quite torn on this one.
I understand why they want it to get taken down. I don't necessarily support it, but I do understand where they are coming from.
It would also not surprise me if they are not aware that removing it on X means removing it globally, just not from Australia.
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I am far from an expert, but i am getting kind of tired of the constant contradictory articles floating around about the prospects of this country.
I mistakenly read the following, knowing full well it was designed to upset different sectors in a different way
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/aussies-told-to-spark-a-diy-recession/news-story/c45ab9cd3516575970a046d821bdc7dbold mate here is basically saying people need to stop spending their money on things they like, for the good of the country. We can't have a recession, because output drops, and unemployment rises. So we should avoid that by ensuring small businesses go under? And those people lose their jobs? Am i missing something here?
At the same time, we have articles around:
Australia welcoming 2,000 immigrants a day
The Australian Energy Regulator announcing increases to network charges around the country.
Fuel prices continuing to rise.
Red tape grinding all chances of house production to a haltPerhaps the problems here aren't the fact that people want to enjoy a fucking coffee every day, and watch some TV at the end. Perhaps the problem is an economy propped up by letting as many people in the country as we can, forcing up property prices, and staving off the dreaded recession word for the party currently in power. Throw in continuing increases in excises smashing people in the pocket (yes some are for fun, but come on) and i think that the Feds have a bit more say in this than they might like to admit.
But no, experts are always so quick to say that the only way to save the economy is to continually fuck over young people and poor people.
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the same people who will call him xenophobic already thinks he's a racist anyway just because of which party he represents, so they should be ignored.
Slow the immigration intake
Stop having two levels of government throwing money around to buy votes
Make meaningful inroads in to housing supplyAnd maybe things will start to change.
Or, you know, do none of those things, and continue to blame people for living a little.
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Immigration is the only thing keeping this economy going (and the fire under house prices, to which we are all exposed to) - we sure aren't increasing our productivity!
Don't get me wrong, I am all for reducing immigration personally, but I just don't reckon its going to happen any time soon
I am MASSIVELY on board with reducing government spending and reducing red tape. Those fucking unions that can't accept a $260k salary for labouring can also go and get fucked.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
old mate here is basically saying people need to stop spending their money on things they like, for the good of the country. We can't have a recession, because output drops, and unemployment rises. So we should avoid that by ensuring small businesses go under? And those people lose their jobs? Am i missing something here?
I love classic economics where every option is based on a model built last century.
Neither party wants to oversee a recession.
Neither party wants to revise tax laws to appropriately tax corporates*.
Neither party wants to stop giving Gina Reinhart money.We're in an economic situation that blunt-force party politics, breeding drones, cannot cater for.
*I'm entirely sick of the "but what if they go overseas???" argument. Let them go overseas, particularly the fossil fuel guys getting our resources for free. Good luck digging it up where it doesn't exist.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
Now he might be accused of xenophobia,
Never stopped him before.
And a lot of the new migrants who came here will agree with him because they spent the money to come here "the right way" and were blue-tie voters before they arrived.
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