Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@Rapido said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Rapido $10k
stamp duty on our place in melbourne was $80k
Yes, Average in NSW and VIc is both about 50k at moment.
That is a shedload of potential municipal funds that NZ instead diverts to mortgage interest to Australian banks or German cars for RE Agents.
You'd be loving it over there. All those tunnels, roads and stadiums needing civil engineering ....
You should come home. So you can engineer just the repairing of the broken pipes on the smell of an oily rag out of the rates base.
Bro, it's not all roses over here, unlike most cities where piston wristed gibbons drive 4 wheel drives they don't need, in NSW roading budgets appear not to include maintenance, so they're actually a sound investment.
But you do feel quite futuristic being the one car driving in the new Westconnex tunnels before taking up a second job later that week to pay the tolls.
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@frugby said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
Rectangular stadia for rugby are top tier. Dunedin, Hamilton, North Harbour are excellent viewing experiences.
You don't need a new ground for that
The proposals for new stadiums basically have three steps;
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Build a new rectangular stadium
- Knock down Eden Park
I don't think many people disagree on step one. So why not:
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Make Eden Park into a rectangular stadium by building a single new stand
That seems a lot more realistic and has the bonus of not throwing away a bunch of history
It all costs money though. I know they have done it in NSW, but what is the business case to make Eden Park rectangular? Are we going to get more events, or is it just going to make watching rugby better?
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@Godder said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If stadiums made money, private investors would build them.
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I don't personally have a problem with councils building stadiums, even big ones - it's an amenity that adds to the vibe of a city. I just wish everyone would stop pretending there's an economic argument in New Zealand and admit that they are being built because we want the ability to watch live shows and sport at big stadiums.As tyres keeping getting kicked, this still seems relevant.
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Yup not that old in years but itâs the part of the stadium that most needs an upgrade. The large lounge in particular which is meant to be another source of income
Sounds like a refurb needed not a rebuild of an entire stand
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@KiwiMurph fundamental problems with the layout means it doesnât handle crowds. It isnât great for watching sport from either. Should be more similar to the Balcony bar on the south stand (but longer)
I was a member of that lounge and attended almost every rugby and/or cricket match for a decade. So got to know the problems
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@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still wonât budge. Eden park is their baby.
Good. No need to throw away Eden Park for some half backed waterfront stadium idea
Most of the downtown CBD is reclaimed land actually. This âleakageâ argument is rubbish. The land the âsunken stadiumâ will be in will be reclaimed land like the rest of the waterfront. I note Britomart underground station never leaked during last years floods.
Having said that I think Quay park is the best option.
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@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The CRL had some flooding from the Mt Eden end and EP itself resembled the swamp it originally was
EP flooded where it was expected to flood (mostly)
The blue bits are the 'expected to flood under extreme conditions'
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Rapido said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The North stand will get rebuilt if Eden Park continues to exist. Itâs feeling itâs age
It is only 25 years old, though.
that's actually the lifespan of stadiums often, the elite ones anyway, Sydney Football stadium has just been rebuilt completely and that was only 20 years old when closed
It was built in 1988. So, 35 years. Which is still criminally short spanned. But it was experimental and ground-breaking. Therefore flawed ....
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@Rapido yeah, i double checked after i posted and deleted...was closed in 2018 so 30 years
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph fundamental problems with the layout means it doesnât handle crowds. It isnât great for watching sport from either. Should be more similar to the Balcony bar on the south stand (but longer)
I was a member of that lounge and attended almost every rugby and/or cricket match for a decade. So got to know the problems
Interesting this.
I have only used that lounge once. For an ODI back in the mid-2000s. Thought it was fantastic, with flow from the lounge to their own seating level. Crowd would have been about 1/3rd full for an ODI in those days. Lounge maybe half full.
As opposed to the lounge at Caketin. Which is a bit crap, and probably a mistake of design thinking in the 1990s when it was designed. With stadium seating totally seperate from the lounge, requiring a trip on the escalator back through the main concourse. The lounge was basically a pre-game or half-time facility. Except for the freezing cold days when people stayed in it and watched the match through the glass.
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dont know if this was posted last year when published....if they stay at eden park that would be pretty cool, a roof would have to help a little with noise etc
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@Kiwiwomble
The Eden Park 2.0 concept includes a new North Stand, upgraded East and West stands, a retractable roof, a field able to be used for both rectangle and oval sporting codes, and variable seating capacities.
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@Rapido said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Crowd would have been about 1/3rd full for an ODI in those days. Lounge maybe half full.
Yeah that would be fine
Just to be clear the the conversation around the North stand getting replaced started not long after it was built. When the South stand was approved the plan was to replace the North stand a few years later.. the claim even back then was they'd made mistakes with the design
Not sure if people have the same view of the lounge as me but I'll expand on my criticisms. A lot of these issues are probably caused by the North stand having a lot of office space and the public areas fit around that.
The entry gates are very narrow compared to the other side. At certain times the choke point is really bad. When anyone decides to use the lift take up the whole processing area. The South stand entry is a lot wider and processes people quickly
The narrow gate then goes into a narrow staircase. This is more of an issue when exiting. The staircase for the Balcony bar on the other side would be 2.5-3 times as wide. I've seen people pushed over from behind multiple times.. I would hate to be there if there was a fire alarm or other incident
As much as possible I used to arrive early and bolt out the door on full time
I spent more times towards the western end of that lounge. There's toilets at the end, an area to order food, then a bar before opening into the large area. When it's busy the queue for the food goes back to the tables by the windows. Anyone going for a piss has to push throw those food queues to get to the bathroom. During a Test match the bathroom queue can reach the food queue. It's chaos. Sure, this could possibly be fixed by knocking down some walls etc
The last point is more of a preference but I think the lounge should be set up more like the Balcony bar with an outdoor concourse behind the members stadium seats. People use the tables there, mingle etc but it adds to ground atmosphere. The North lounge has thousands of people behind glass that do not interact with whats happening the the field. It's sterile and kills the atmosphere (compared to the other side)
Ideally the North side would have something like the Balcony bar but at least twice as long
Of course the lounge criticisms are the not the main reason you'd replace a stand. I was just commenting on how shit a lot of that stand is compared to the South
