Uber v Taxis

NTA

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Makes you wonder also if the speed limits could be changed when cars become self driving - after all, if you have perfect reactions, why would you limit speeds to 100kph? 
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Once every car knows what every other car is doing, it'll be a heck of a lot safer. Of course, hackers will want to have their say, but that's always the risk.
 
Owning a self-driving car will be something for the rural and suburban fringe dweller on acreage - just like horses are now.

mariner4life

i have plans for my garage when it is no longer necessary.

antipodean

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i have plans for my garage when it is no longer necessary. 
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I finally joined the Uber revolution and all I'll say is taxis can fuck right off and die.

mariner4life

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I finally joined the Uber revolution and all I'll say is taxis can fuck right off and die.
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ah, duurrr, i already have that in the bunker. The garage will be a meditation calming space. I am all about balance.

Nepia

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ah, duurrr, i already have that in the bunker. The garage will be a meditation calming space. I am all about balance. 
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My Star Trek universal translator converted that to Porn Room.

mariner4life

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My Star Trek universal translator converted that to Porn Room.
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jegga

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ah, duurrr, i already have that in the bunker. The garage will be a meditation calming space. I am all about balance.</blockquote>
 
Translation - faporium .

MajorRage

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The sooner the better. I wonder if in a few generations time the skill of driving a car will be like riding a horse today, mostly a leisure/enthusiast thing. 
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Nup, can't see it. Why do planes have pilots?

Hooroo

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Nup, can't see it. Why do planes have pilots?
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Marketing.....

MajorRage

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Marketing.....
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A mate of mine whose a pilot reckons it's because of the just in case factor. He said most planes more or less fly themselves, but now things still happen all the time which require a pilot.
 
So with cars, where there are much more, working in much more confined spaces, I'm just not convinced. Planes are designed to miss each other by what - a mile, so in a world where GPS is accurate to within a metre, thats fine. But in cars, it's completely different.
 
Maybe I'm out of touch, I dunno. But self driving cars, seem like a bit of a pipe dream. I can see how this could happen for temporary times on autoroutes / motorways etc. But country roads, small towns, parking lots etc etc. I'm not even close to sold.

nzzp

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Maybe I'm out of touch, I dunno. But self driving cars, seem like a bit of a pipe dream. I can see how this could happen for temporary times on autoroutes / motorways etc. But country roads, small towns, parking lots etc etc. I'm not even close to sold.
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Have you read much on this? This seems like something where the tech has caught up and it's a matter of time for most of the world to get there. They are running lidar type sensors, and there are big investments going in from Uber, Google, Apple as well as most car companies. It seems like self driving cars are probably viable in 5-10 years. 
 
I'm not one to get caught up in big hype, but this seems not far away. There are real life tests going on with millions of miles covered.
 
This probably won't work in areas with snow or maybe heavy heavy rain, but seems like a good solution for damn near every where else.

MajorRage

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Have you read much on this? This seems like something where the tech has caught up and it's a matter of time for most of the world to get there. They are running lidar type sensors, and there are big investments going in from Uber, Google, Apple as well as most car companies. It seems like self driving cars are probably viable in 5-10 years. 
 
I'm not one to get caught up in big hype, but this seems not far away. There are real life tests going on with millions of miles covered.
 
This probably won't work in areas with snow or maybe heavy heavy rain, but seems like a good solution for damn near every where else.
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Yep, we are huge on investing in it where I work. I'm against the grain on this one, well aware of that, but I cannot see the general population buying it to the extent that cars really are self driving. Everytime there is an accident/death on a self driving car, the PR is going to be extremely hard to fight and I think we are a generation at least away yet from a population who want to drive themselves.

nzzp

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Yep, we are huge on investing in it where I work. I'm against the grain on this one, well aware of that, but I cannot see the general population buying it to the extent that cars really are self driving. Everytime there is an accident/death on a self driving car, the PR is going to be extremely hard to fight and I think we are a generation at least away yet from a population who want to drive themselves.
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People can only see the downside at the moment. Self drivers will potentially transform the cities we live in. Imagine - and this is not far fetched
 
- you roll out of bed in your rural paradise, shower, and climb into the car
- read books, do work, talk on phone, or catch some Z in the car
- get delivered to your office door. Car drives off to recharge somewhere
 
- picks you up from the pub after work and you sleep as you head home...
 
 
alternatively, you head outside in Auckland at 10pm, go to sleep, wake up in Wellington at 0700. 
 
Some people will be against it, but I can see enough being 'for' it that it will take off

Hooroo

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People can only see the downside at the moment. Self drivers will potentially transform the cities we live in. Imagine - and this is not far fetched
 
- you roll out of bed in your rural paradise, shower, and climb into the car
- read books, do work, talk on phone, or catch some Z in the car
- get delivered to your office door. Car drives off to recharge somewhere
 
- picks you up from the pub after work and you sleep as you head home...
 
 
alternatively, you head outside in Auckland at 10pm, go to sleep, wake up in Wellington at 0700. 
 
Some people will be against it, but I can see enough being 'for' it that it will take off
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Well that sounds good, your audience you are describing is about 0.5% of population?
 
I too can see it happeneing but I think we are quite a few decades away. Even maybe 50 years?

MajorRage

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People can only see the downside at the moment. Self drivers will potentially transform the cities we live in. Imagine - and this is not far fetched
 
- you roll out of bed in your rural paradise, shower, and climb into the car
- read books, do work, talk on phone, or catch some Z in the car
- get delivered to your office door. Car drives off to recharge somewhere
 
- picks you up from the pub after work and you sleep as you head home...
 
 
alternatively, you head outside in Auckland at 10pm, go to sleep, wake up in Wellington at 0700. 
 
Some people will be against it, but I can see enough being 'for' it that it will take off
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Quite a few people here in HK already do that. But they have a driver to do it for them, which they pay a small relative wage. Electric cars are cheaper here, but most of the locals want their big alphard/vellfire luxury van. I don't really see how it's completely different either to a taxi or limousine service. Just that the manual element is gone.
 
The whole Auckland at 10pm, WEllington at 7am. Here's an alternative. Go to sleep in your own bed, get up at 5am, have a shower, kiss your wife/kids/hooker/whatever your fetish good bye, then pop to the airport and get a 45 min flight which has you much sharper as you weren't sleeping in a car overnight.
 
Self driving cars - will be a niche market only for a long long time. They aren't going to takeover for a long long time.

nzzp

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Quite a few people here in HK already do that. But they have a driver to do it for them, which they pay a small relative wage. Electric cars are cheaper here, but most of the locals want their big alphard/vellfire luxury van. I don't really see how it's completely different either to a taxi or limousine service. Just that the manual element is gone.
 
The whole Auckland at 10pm, WEllington at 7am. Here's an alternative. Go to sleep in your own bed, get up at 5am, have a shower, kiss your wife/kids/hooker/whatever your fetish good bye, then pop to the airport and get a 45 min flight which has you much sharper as you weren't sleeping in a car overnight.
 
Self driving cars - will be a niche market only for a long long time. They aren't going to takeover for a long long time.
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1. How much is the car worth to you if you can spend half your commute doing productive work related stuff. Reviewing reports, writing reports, talking to people on the phone, doing accounts. If your house costs $500k less and is another hours commute each way, does it pay off? I'd bloody say so in Auckland
 
2. How much does a plane to Wellington cost: $80 bucks? Plus a taxi or parking - $80 in Auckland, $40 in Wellington. $200 bucks for a one way flight, and you don't have a car when you get there. Compared to what - mileage on an electric car at $20 perhaps? Now put two people in the car - remembering that cars don't have to be designed like normal any more - can have proper comfy chairs. See an example below in the latest Honda Odyssey
 
 
3. Niche market. The market will be anyone who has to commute. Which to be honest is most people. I'm working on a development at the moment - carparks are valued over $100k, and have been sold in central auckland for $150k. Tell me that there aren't people who want to save time and money using a self driving car to commute.
 
So I'm agreeing to disagree. Depending on the cost of the package, I can see widespread uptake of it
 
Example from a current Honda model - sit back, sip on a few craft beers/cocktails, watch some TV/download some internet, kick back and relax:
 
<img src="http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2014-Honda-Odyssey-sliding-captain-seats.jpg" alt="2014-Honda-Odyssey-sliding-captain-seats">

Hooroo

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1. How much is the car worth to you if you can spend half your commute doing productive work related stuff. Reviewing reports, writing reports, talking to people on the phone, doing accounts. If your house costs $500k less and is another hours commute each way, does it pay off? I'd bloody say so in Auckland
 
2. How much does a plane to Wellington cost: $80 bucks? Plus a taxi or parking - $80 in Auckland, $40 in Wellington. $200 bucks for a one way flight, and you don't have a car when you get there. Compared to what - mileage on an electric car at $20 perhaps? Now put two people in the car - remembering that cars don't have to be designed like normal any more - can have proper comfy chairs. See an example below in the latest Honda Odyssey
 
 
3. Niche market. The market will be anyone who has to commute. Which to be honest is most people. I'm working on a development at the moment - carparks are valued over $100k, and have been sold in central auckland for $150k. Tell me that there aren't people who want to save time and money using a self driving car to commute.
 
So I'm agreeing to disagree. Depending on the cost of the package, I can see widespread uptake of it
 
Example from a current Honda model - sit back, sip on a few craft beers/cocktails, watch some TV/download some internet, kick back and relax:
 
<img src="http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2014-Honda-Odyssey-sliding-captain-seats.jpg" alt="2014-Honda-Odyssey-sliding-captain-seats">
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I think MR is right, what you are describing is for the elite when it comes out. In time it will filter to the masses
 
This comment is funny to me
"Example from a current Honda model - sit back, sip on a few craft beers/cocktails, watch some TV/download some internet, kick back and relax"
Can you imagine 500 Tokoroa factory workers buying into this? Or the 10,000 in penrose in Auckland? I can't see it being within their price for a very long time

Milk

The concept is a bit scary, but I must say I am all for self driving cars. I despise other drivers. I get so angry when I see a car struggling to stay in their lane and when I pass them I see the the selfish prick driver is on their phone putting other people's live in danger. For every argument why self driving cars can't be trusted, I find many counter arguments driving their cars on any given trip.

nzzp

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I think MR is right, what you are describing is for the elite when it comes out. In time it will filter to the masses
 
This comment is funny to me
"Example from a current Honda model - sit back, sip on a few craft beers/cocktails, watch some TV/download some internet, kick back and relax"
Can you imagine 500 Tokoroa factory workers buying into this? Or the 10,000 in penrose in Auckland? I can't see it being within their price for a very long time
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Can I imagine those factory workers buying this? Not initially.

But then, they didn't buy cars with ABS initially either. Or airbags. CD players used to cost a few hundred bucks, too.
 
What we're dealing with is technology that plummets in price as it commodotises. I can only see this getting rolled out to more and more cars until it is unthinkable to have a car without it, and the fleet gradually changes over.

NTA

Difference between cars and planes: for the most part, cars have a defined and well-mapped path to destinations available, in two dimensions.
 
Planes, while highly automated with safeguards, have a lot more factors that affect them, and move in three dimensions.
 
Also, when a plane fucks up, dozens to hundreds die. When a car fucks up, maybe half a dozen people die at the most.
 
 
Once the self-driving thing kicks off in earnest, ownership of a car will be reduced because a car that isn't being used is a wasted asset. Tesla are already talking about supplying local fleets for high-density areas in a driverless Uber situation. The cars go charge when they need charging, but otherwise they're moving people from one destination to another.

The Silver Fern

Uber v Taxis