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@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
@No-Quarter said in Appalling double-standard:
Pretty sensible article from Rachel Smalley on the Herald:
If you put Losi Filipo in prison, that will change the course of his life. His career prospects will be limited. His rugby career will end the moment he walks into jail. If he spends time behind bars, that will possibly fast-track him into a life of crime. Violent crime, too. If, however, he enters the New Zealand rugby system, then he'll be offered an umbrella that will provide structure, guidance, and discipline. And a chance to right the wrongs of his teens.
I'm not suggesting that's right, but I can understand this judge's position on this.
But if you're one of the four who were assaulted, what does justice look like to you right now?
And in particular, to the young man who's playing career has been cut short? That young man who has only just started working again and who continues to suffer migraines and chronic fatigue. Life is pretty miserable, for him.
So where do you sit on this? Do you place Losi Filipo in an environment where potentially he can turn his life around. Or do you bang him up in jail, ending his career prospects, and then potentially watch him spend the next 60 years of his life bouncing in and out of our justice system at enormous cost to the country and the taxpayer?
What's your take?
I totally agree with what she's saying RE: prison etc.
my issue with it is that he has totally escaped any form of punishment!
10k reparation for each victim would be a starting point...
Yeah fair enough, you'd think damages would be a given considering the ongoing impacts to the victims health.
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@WillieTheWaiter based on that hangings too good for him .
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@jegga best part about the herald article is that the article under it is an story on the guy who punched Charlie F's wife going to jail... that was a lot less worse than the above, at least she ran over his kid with her car so there were 'circumstances'.
Moral of story, be a FAB, no jail, punch someone related to an AB and be 'joe bloggs' jail.
obviously that's not the full story but that's exactly how it looks to the public and that somehow it's all the nzrfus doing.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
This farks me off because of the way this is dragging 'rugby' through the mud - when in fact it's got fark all to do with it.
Wellington are between a rock and a hard place because it's not up to them to be the judge on this - that's up to, you know, the actual judge so as far as they're concerned he's in the clear - but sheesh there's going to be some repercussions from the fans I'm sure.
Actually, Wellington Rugby does have a role here. Now that the judicial process has ended, they can decide whether to keep him on their books or not. If they don't rip up his contract, they can still decide whether to let him play or not.
Hopefully the people of Wellington will show their feelings towards the Mayor who wrote a letter of support in the upcoming elections as well...
Actually, it was the Mayor of Upper Hutt, not Wellington.
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Under what grounds could they terminate his contract?
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@Hooroo said in Appalling double-standard:
Under what grounds could they terminate his contract?
As far as I know, being "discharged without conviction" doesn't mean you are 'not guilty'. Criminal law and employment law are two different beasts that (I think) require different degrees of proof, culpability. I'm not an employment lawyer, but I can imagine that employees (ie, contracted rugby players) must meet certain requirements like not damaging your employer's business. Wellington Rugby could lose sponsors, members etc over this. It could hurt them financially. I can imagine that if an employee can be held liable for that damage, he could get fired. But as I said, I'm not an employment lawyer. That's why I added that if he stays in their employment, they can still decide not to let him play for the Lions and could either not let him play at all, or demote him to the Development team (which has finished its competition for the season).
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The Judge's Notes are in this article:
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Looks like there is more to come...
From Stuff
BREAKING NEWS Solicitor-General's office 'looking into' Losi Filipo assault case, says it was unaware of it ... More soon
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@taniwharugby oh dear , seems understandable as she was pretty hot.
Oh yeah the head injury stuff was pretty nasty too.
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@Stargazer said in Appalling double-standard:
@WillieTheWaiter said in Appalling double-standard:
This farks me off because of the way this is dragging 'rugby' through the mud - when in fact it's got fark all to do with it.
Wellington are between a rock and a hard place because it's not up to them to be the judge on this - that's up to, you know, the actual judge so as far as they're concerned he's in the clear - but sheesh there's going to be some repercussions from the fans I'm sure.
Actually, Wellington Rugby does have a role here. Now that the judicial process has ended, they can decide whether to keep him on their books or not. If they don't rip up his contract, they can still decide whether to let him play or not.
Hopefully the people of Wellington will show their feelings towards the Mayor who wrote a letter of support in the upcoming elections as well...
Actually, it was the Mayor of Upper Hutt, not Wellington.
totally agree that the welly rugby union will need to do something here - the uproar of the public is too great and the NZRFU and the WRU are the easy targets in the eye of the public and they are taking the blame - look on Stuff - so many comments saying 'nz rugby condones violence'
My organisation has over 4000 people working for it - I'm sure there are some people working here that have convictions / discharges - doesn't mean the organisation condones violence / theft / whatever.
The anger is totally misdirected - needs to be pointed at the judge and supporters (Mayor of wherever - Welly/UH, all same same to me, some dump at the bottom of the north island.. )..
Anyway he'll be demoted to non playing for sure - which is a shame cause i so enjoy watching the massive hypocrisy of people like him who score tries, cross their chest and kiss the cross on the wristband..
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http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11717666
Makes for pretty bad reading
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15 out of 25-30,000? That's basically statistically insignificant.
I agree with Willie, why is the NZRU coping heat about it?
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@antipodean said in Appalling double-standard:
15 out of 25-30,000? That's basically statistically insignificant.
I agree with Willie, why is the NZRU coping heat about it?
Because of the rugby culture of racism, wife beating, homophobic, stripper hiring/abusing and assault we have in NZ.
So 15 players avoided convictions, I wonder how many other people, that don't play rugby avoided convictions?
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@jegga said in Appalling double-standard:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11717666
Makes for pretty bad reading
that's an appalling article. Jesus.
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@Stargazer said in Appalling double-standard:
The Judge's Notes are in this article:
So, the judge is comparing being a pro rugby player to medicine, law and police ? fuck me days, good luck getting in the cops with a violence conviction......
but if I still wanted to try perhaps I could smack a couple of people down Courtney place this Saturday and hope I get in front of this judge ?
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yeah it's a shit article and I couldn't care less about guys like Weepu, Nonu etc who just breached alcohol ban areas or made a little bit of noise.
From what I read this guy punched a girl and kicked a guy multiple times in the head when he was on the ground.
Regardless of the circumstances, or whether he was provoked, it's a serious crime and I think the outcome is wrong.
Fair enough that he has career prospects that may be affected, but make an example of him so the next guy doesn't act like such a dick when he's out on the piss.
As others have mentioned.....That's what the judge should've done, not his employer
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@SammyC said in Appalling double-standard:
yeah it's a shit article and I couldn't care less about guys like Weepu, Nonu etc who just breached alcohol ban areas or made a little bit of noise.
From what I read this guy punched a girl and kicked a guy multiple times in the head when he was on the ground.
Regardless of the circumstances, or whether he was provoked, it's a serious crime and I think the outcome is wrong.
Fair enough that he has career prospects that may be affected, but make an example of him so the next guy doesn't act like such a dick when he's out on the piss.
As others have mentioned.....That's what the judge should've done, not his employer
Heaping Nonu and Weepu in with the rest of those jokers is ridiculous.
As you say Sammy perhaps he was provoked but as I'm sure we've all experienced sometimes "provocation" to some people involves simply making eye contact for a fraction of a second. No excuse whatsoever for what he did.
I'm pretty disgusted that one of the more recent ABs I admire in George Moala essentially got away with what he did too, as for Savea I was working with police at the time of his 'issues" and the consensus was the assault was about as minor as it could possibly be.
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@mariner4life how pissed off would you be if you took your mrs out for dinner and Piri Weepu was tapping on the window saying " bro , Ard you going to finish that"?
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