Forthcoming EOYTs
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It has been mentioned that the All Blacks don't play England until the 2018 EOYT, anyone know where these schedules are published as I am buggered if I can find them?
I would be interested in the 2017 EOYT schedule, who is touring NZ during June in 2018 and the 2018 EOYT schedule.
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Now found the All Blacks have Scotland, Wales then France on the 2017 EOYT
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@Unite Do you have a link for that?
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I found this in a 2012 post so not sure if it was set in stone that far back but may be an indication. Number of tests in brackets
"June Tests" (home first)
NZ v BIL (3)
Aus v SCO
SA v FR (3)
Arg v ENG
Jap v IREESPN have the following which makes more sense
June 2017
Sat 10 Fiji tour Australia v Fiji, Melbourne
Sat 17 Scotland tour Australia v Scotland, Sydney
Sat 24 British and Irish Lions tour New Zealand v British and Irish Lions, Auckland
Sat 24 Italy tour Australia v Italy, BrisbaneBut no EOYT listings
I'm guessing NZ plays Wales and Scotland on rotation, but if no England test then IRE, FRA and ITA come back into things
AUS played everyone this year except ITA. Do they play ENG again? -
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Cool, so SCO, WAL and FRA in that order is pretty good.
I am guessing there will be another fundraiser somewhere as well at the behest of adidas/AIG but who do we play? Japan in Japan as a taster for the place pre RWC? -
@Unite Thanks!
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@Crucial said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
Cool, so SCO, WAL and FRA in that order is pretty good.
I am guessing there will be another fundraiser somewhere as well at the behest of adidas/AIG but who do we play? Japan in Japan as a taster for the place pre RWC?Only if you follow the order of the pictures, but the pictures aren't placed in chronological order on that webpage. If you look at the dates, it's France, Scotland, Wales.
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@Stargazer said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@Crucial said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
Cool, so SCO, WAL and FRA in that order is pretty good.
I am guessing there will be another fundraiser somewhere as well at the behest of adidas/AIG but who do we play? Japan in Japan as a taster for the place pre RWC?Only if you follow the order of the pictures, but the pictures aren't placed in chronological order on that webpage. If you look at the dates, it's France, Scotland, Wales.
Probably better. Gets easier as it goes
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WR really needs to organise a match between the All Blacks and England. It's fucking ridiculous that they don't play until 2018. I could understand it if England were Tier 2, but Tier 1 teams should be playing each other every year.
If England get to 18 wins on the trott I reckon they should make their 19th vs the All Blacks. It'd be a WC final outside of a WC. Would be epic
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@No-Quarter dunno, I like that we don't play them all the time, and it adds to the mystery about the result by being a less familiar opposition.
I think it will be good for rugby if England take that win record, while there is no argument about who is the best rugby nation on earth, having someone else holding a record such as that and us not holding everything is surely good, even if it has to be England...fluffybunnies.
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@taniwharugby we last played them in 2014. One match every 4 years is nowhere near enough.
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@No-Quarter I wonderif 2017 being a Lions year had any bearing on the matches for the EOYT?
You have to go back to 2002 for the last time we had a decent break in playing them, but was only 3 years then.
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@No-Quarter said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@taniwharugby we last played them in 2014. One match every 4 years is nowhere near enough.
We did play a proper 3 test home series against them in 2014 and then backed it up with an EOYT match.
We were "supposed" to meet at the 2015 RWC, but they stuffed up....
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@No-Quarter said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
WR really needs to organise a match between the All Blacks and England. It's fucking ridiculous that they don't play until 2018. I could understand it if England were Tier 2, but Tier 1 teams should be playing each other every year.
If England get to 18 wins on the trott I reckon they should make their 19th vs the All Blacks. It'd be a WC final outside of a WC. Would be epic
Part of the idea of bringing in 3 test series in june was to not have one-off matches every year against everyone. To create some anticipation, some mystique, some craving like a heroin addict who's dealer has disappeared.
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@taniwharugby said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@No-Quarter dunno, I like that we don't play them all the time, and it adds to the mystery about the result by being a less familiar opposition.
I think it will be good for rugby if England take that win record, while there is no argument about who is the best rugby nation on earth, having someone else holding a record such as that and us not holding everything is surely good, even if it has to be England...fluffybunnies.
Are you drunk.
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@Nepia I dont drink.
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@taniwharugby said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@Nepia I dont drink.
Please finish your sentences.
What don't you drink?
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Edit: England have another 3 test series against
NZSouth Africa in June 2018.
Ireland play Oz. And Wales have ???.The 4th out of window test is decided by the unions involved. Ireland pitched to NZRU about playing in Chicago this year. There was a 4th test being discussed for November 2017 which featured the discussion about English RFU offering £1.5m as the match fee for NZ and NZ making a counter offer of £3m to more properly reflect the total revenues from such a game of £9m from ticket sales and food/corporate hospitality. No agreement reached so match is not going ahead. Edit : Therefore, the next WR in-window test is the Nov 2018 series.
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@Pot-Hale do you have a link for this schedule?
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According to this old media release, England will tour South Africa in 2018, not New Zealand:
http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-play-three-test-2012-series-south-africa/
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@Stargazer said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
According to this old media release, England will tour South Africa in 2018, not New Zealand:
http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-play-three-test-2012-series-south-africa/
You're quite right - don't know why I had NZ in my head. It is France playing NZ in June '18.
Eng in SA, Irl in Oz and Wales in Arg. -
@Pot-Hale said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@Stargazer said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
According to this old media release, England will tour South Africa in 2018, not New Zealand:
http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-play-three-test-2012-series-south-africa/
You're quite right - don't know why I had NZ in my head. It is France playing NZ in June '18.
Eng in SA, Irl in Oz and Wales in Arg.Yes, link to media release: http://www.allblacks.com/News/13083/ireland-france-and-england-to-tour-nz-from-2012-2014
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This post is a week or so late ... but further to Steve Tew's interview with Veitch last Sunday I've been pondering something.
A bit was made of arranging a potential All Blacks v England match prior to the next scheduled match up in 2018.
Reasons offered up in it's favour, apart from the obvious on field attraction of 1 v 2 in the world, included the potential money making capacity of the match.
Also the potential for an additional revenue earning test generally was raised by Veitch and dampened somewhat by Tew, who indicated they weren't absolutely gagging for an additional game and if they were "it definitely won't be England".
Although it seemed neither Veitch nor anyone commenting on the situation post interview picked up on it, to me this was pretty obvious code for "England are the enemy in terms of revenue equilisation. If we want a revenue generating test to share we will play ball with someone who will end up supporting us."
On that count, in my opinion any of the other 3 home unions, Italy, or basically anyone other than France or England, could gain from revenue equilisation.
England have the big stadium and the big TV audience. France similar. I think on the whole pretty much any other nation gains from revenue sharing.
So NZ aren't about to get in bed and try and make money in a situation that isn't going to be supported by that same party going forward. I hope they sell their services to someone who will come on board for the greater good.
My conspiracy theory anyway.
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My guess is that we may see another visit to Japan in the next two seasons. Would help promote the RWC for Japan and would give our young guys some experience over there so it's not all new to them come 2019
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So it looks set to be announced that we will play the Babas on next year's end of tour, which to me is a bit of a nonsense game against a line up ozzies and saffas who couldn't even make their own countries end of year squads! Nowadays no /few NH players seem to be made available for this match, which got me thinking about instead selecting a team made up of kiwis based in NH. It might attract more interest etc
A backline could look something like this : Slade, Piatau, Rokocoko, Smith, Nonu, Carter, Leonard...
Forwards May not be as strong with a few ex super players in there rather than test quality however -
@Kiwidom said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
So it looks set to be announced that we will play the Babas on next year's end of tour, which to me is a bit of a nonsense game against a line up ozzies and saffas who couldn't even make their own countries end of year squads! Nowadays no /few NH players seem to be made available for this match, which got me thinking about instead selecting a team made up of kiwis based in NH. It might attract more interest etc
A backline could look something like this : Slade, Piatau, Rokocoko, Smith, Nonu, Carter, Leonard...
Forwards May not be as strong with a few ex super players in there rather than test quality howeverI don't think you want four tough tests anyway. Three tests on the EOYT is ideal and then add in one more against easier opposition.
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@hydro11 Have no issue about playing an easier opposition (eg Japan, Georgia or Romania) on next year's tour, but playing a composite side of ozzie and saffa super players is a bit MEH for me. I realise its a money maker at Twickers, but would have been unique to play in Tbilisi for example
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Yeah, I totally agree. I don't really care much for the EOYT and it would be nice to do a "charity" match at least once each year.
Georgia are well worthy a visit after the RWC. Toss them in with Japan, USA, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, no reason for us to at least play these guys once a year.
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@Kiwidom said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
So it looks set to be announced that we will play the Babas on next year's end of tour, which to me is a bit of a nonsense game against a line up ozzies and saffas who couldn't even make their own countries end of year squads! Nowadays no /few NH players seem to be made available for this match, which got me thinking about instead selecting a team made up of kiwis based in NH. It might attract more interest etc
A backline could look something like this : Slade, Piatau, Rokocoko, Smith, Nonu, Carter, Leonard...
Forwards May not be as strong with a few ex super players in there rather than test quality howeverI think the issue is that the club's won't release the players, so regardless of their origin, if they play in the NH they probably wouldn't be available.
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@Bones yeah it's a shame they don't get released. Am looking forward to Luke Whitelock playing for the BABAS again tho as he's worth the admission price alone!
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@booboo said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
This post is a week or so late ... but further to Steve Tew's interview with Veitch last Sunday I've been pondering something.
A bit was made of arranging a potential All Blacks v England match prior to the next scheduled match up in 2018.
Reasons offered up in it's favour, apart from the obvious on field attraction of 1 v 2 in the world, included the potential money making capacity of the match.
Also the potential for an additional revenue earning test generally was raised by Veitch and dampened somewhat by Tew, who indicated they weren't absolutely gagging for an additional game and if they were "it definitely won't be England".
Although it seemed neither Veitch nor anyone commenting on the situation post interview picked up on it, to me this was pretty obvious code for "England are the enemy in terms of revenue equilisation. If we want a revenue generating test to share we will play ball with someone who will end up supporting us."
On that count, in my opinion any of the other 3 home unions, Italy, or basically anyone other than France or England, could gain from revenue equilisation.
England have the big stadium and the big TV audience. France similar. I think on the whole pretty much any other nation gains from revenue sharing.
So NZ aren't about to get in bed and try and make money in a situation that isn't going to be supported by that same party going forward. I hope they sell their services to someone who will come on board for the greater good.
My conspiracy theory anyway.
I would agree with this and have been saying for some time that viewing the NH unions as one amorphous glob (De Enemy) is wrong. However, sharing revenue with Welsh, Irish, Scottish and Italian unions for November test matches is not going to work - it only ends up impoverishing those unions who rely heavily on test income to sustain their rugby set-ups. Sharing of revenue on 4th internationals makes a lot more sense, but yet the argument is that there should be less, not more, tests each year. So could tests be reduced elsewhere in the year?
The current IRB/WR Tours and Test Schedule 2012-2019 has featured 3-test series for the SANZAR unions as requested by them. From a financial point of view, I don't know how good this has been for them. Have many of the tests been sell-outs? If these are reduced to two, and June tours restricted further, then four tests in November may become a more regular feature.
The suggestion that NZ could play a game against a team such as Georgia has some merit - the attendances have been growing for their tests over the last couple of years. Would an exhibition match a la Soldier Field be an option? On the other hand, AIG may want to continue extracting their pound of flesh and have another US-based game. Alternatively, the suggestion that they could play Japan as a promo for the upcoming RWC sound like a good proposition.
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@Pot-Hale said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@booboo said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
This post is a week or so late ... but further to Steve Tew's interview with Veitch last Sunday I've been pondering something.
A bit was made of arranging a potential All Blacks v England match prior to the next scheduled match up in 2018.
Reasons offered up in it's favour, apart from the obvious on field attraction of 1 v 2 in the world, included the potential money making capacity of the match.
Also the potential for an additional revenue earning test generally was raised by Veitch and dampened somewhat by Tew, who indicated they weren't absolutely gagging for an additional game and if they were "it definitely won't be England".
Although it seemed neither Veitch nor anyone commenting on the situation post interview picked up on it, to me this was pretty obvious code for "England are the enemy in terms of revenue equilisation. If we want a revenue generating test to share we will play ball with someone who will end up supporting us."
On that count, in my opinion any of the other 3 home unions, Italy, or basically anyone other than France or England, could gain from revenue equilisation.
England have the big stadium and the big TV audience. France similar. I think on the whole pretty much any other nation gains from revenue sharing.
So NZ aren't about to get in bed and try and make money in a situation that isn't going to be supported by that same party going forward. I hope they sell their services to someone who will come on board for the greater good.
My conspiracy theory anyway.
However, sharing revenue for Welsh, Irish, Scottish and Italian revenue from test matches is not going to work - it only ends up impoverishing those unions who rely heavily on test income to sustain their rugby set-ups.
The EOYT matches sure. But surely they stand to gain from England and France. (?)
My point being England and France stand to lose out individually. But have the potential to invest in the growth of the game worldwide.
Of course they're against it.
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Noise seems to indicate it won't be a match v Japan in Japan. This is disappointing.
Looks like baabaas. Venue will be interesting, I assume not at twickers if NZRU views is that the RFU are gouging. Probably Wembley, maybe Olympic stadium. Definitely London though I would reckon.
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The Baabaas match is confirmed, and at Twickenham.
The Wallabies are playing Japan enroute to Europe/UK for 2017 EOYT.
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ABs vs England confirmed - 10 Nov 2018
Shit - and I was considering a bit of a walkabout around that time. -
Here's where to find the confirmation of that ENGvNZL test: http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-2018-old-mutual-wealth-series-fixtures-confirmed/
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.... ah, classic.
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@Higgins said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
@Kruse said in Forthcoming EOYTs:
ABs vs England confirmed - 10 Nov 2018
When is the team named?
0600 hours GMT on 8 Nov 2018
Mark it in your diaries now and don't ask again.
