Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final
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Another thing. Jaco will no doubt be aware of the criticism and the suggestion that he's not neutral. Wouldn't that be a good motivation for him to try to be as neutral & good as he can be this Saturday? Unless he's really biased, of course. I have more of an issue with vdW and Jonker, although they are still better than van Heerden and Veld (remember that Blues game in SA).
Having said that, I find it incomprehensible that they use the argument that Jackson was the ref last year in Wellington to justify the appointment of Peyper. Two wrongs don't make things right. You should always go for the most neutral ref if there is a good & suitable one available, in this case Gardner.
Anyway, I think the travel factor & altitude will be a more important reason for a possible Crusaders' loss, than the refs.
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@Stargazer said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
I have more of an issue with vdW and Jonker,
Bonkers Jonker. Really? For a "super" final?
Is the reward for being a shit ref a comfy chair and making decisions while watching tele? I would qualify (as did Ayoub).
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@mariner4life said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
who the fuck physically lines up for tickets?
The online ticketing agent Computicket.co.za gets given the bulk of the tickets to sell, but a few are also held by the stadium. The the guys queuing up most likely had already checked online and seen it was sold out. Its always just been this way in S.A for some reason.
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@booboo said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:
Jack is a reasonable ref.
But just for appearances sake surely you go with Gardner who at the very least is as capable and has the added bonus of not being from either of the countries involved.
The appointments smack of SANZAAR being arrogant or incompetent or both
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This is good for the Crusaders. Peyper is not a hometown ref IMO, and following last week if anything he will overcompensate to prove he isn't one.
Also Peyper grew up in Bloemfontein and went to Grey College. There is every chance he grew up with as much loyalty to the Lions as a Crusaders fan would for the Blues. He isn't going to blow his international career over a relatively unimportant fixture like this.
Probably should have had a neutral or NZ TMO from an optics stand point.
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I like Peyper as a referee, I think he's excellent and anything but partisan. He's prone to the odd crap decision, but that's just the game of rugby being incredibly hard to referee. Gardner would have made more sense, but Peyper is still the choice I expected and think is an OK choice. I don't get the hate for Marius vdW, I think he's been very good this year (and the last, I believe).
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Yeah I like how Peyper manages a game, probably in the top 3 going around IMO. I agree with SANZAR that it's merit based because he's an excellent ref. Congrats to him.
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Jack O'Piper is a good ref and communicates well. I'm sure he won't be consciously biased. And all refs tend to favour the home team. I'd have preferred Gardner, who I rate a notch above Glen (Ireland's favourite ref).
The bigger issue is the TMO, and, in particular, who controls the replays which are chosen. IMHO that is where the most heinous bias is shown. I'm recalling Messam tackle, which Burger did not complain about real time, but TV replays forced ref to come back to after the event.
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What pisses me off is where was this merit based ref selection during the Lions series? Instead of having a guy like Nigel Owens in charge we get those french fucks because they are "neutral".
I understand it's SANZAAR vs WR but some consistency wouldn't hurt.
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SuperSports analysis on lineout and mauls
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Unchanged Lions squad for the final:
1 Jacques van Rooyen
2 Malcolm Marx
3 Ruan Dreyer
4 Andries Ferreira
5 Franco Mostert
6 Jaco Kriel ©
7 Albertus “Kwagga” Smith
8 Ruan Ackermann
9 Ross Cronje
10 Elton Jantjies
11 Courtnall Skosan
12 Harold Vorster
13 Lionel Mapoe
14 Ruan Combrinck
15 Andries CoetzeeReserves
16 Akker vd Merwe
17 Corne Fourie
18 Johannes Jonker
19 Lourens Erasmus
20 Cyle Brink
21 Faf de Klerk
22 Rohan Janse van Re
23 Sylvian Mahuza -
Am i missing something here, these guys keep on talking about sacking is tackling 1 player. But the maul laws is about tackling the ball carrier, whether the maul is set or not if the ball player is tackled its within the law
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Razor has also named an unchanged squad.
This is the Crusaders team for the final:
1 Joe Moody
2 Codie Taylor
3 Owen Franks
4 Scott Barrett
5 Sam Whitelock (C)
6 Jordan Taufua
7 Matt Todd (VC)
8 Kieran Read
9 Bryn Hall
10 Richie Mo'unga
11 Seta Tamanivalu
12 Ryan Crotty (VC)
13 Jack Goodhue
14 Israel Dagg
15 David HaviliRESERVES
16 Ben Funnell
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Michael Alaalatoa
19 Luke Romano
20 Pete Samu
21 Mitchell Drummond
22 Mitchell Hunt
23 George Bridge
