EPL 2017/2018
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@bovidae said in EPL 2017/2018:
A fantastic game between Liverpool and Roma this morning in the CL semi. Liverpool looked to be coasting at 5-0 but 5-2 gives Roma some hope for the home leg.
Like the Barca tie, Roma has Liverpool right where they want them.
We just need to keep the goal difference to two. I know that's not the mindset, but it'll get us through!
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@kiwipie I had to go into a meeting with the scores still 0-0.
I have been dreading the lottery of play-offs for months. Hard to argue that Fulham aren't one of the two best sides in the Championship but I could see this potential train wreck coming all through our 23 game unbeaten run Fucking Birmingham.
Fulham have tightened up more and more with each successive game and clearly the stress of the situation got to them. Hopefully today's result has calmed them.
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Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2017/2018:
Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
Just like Blackburn did when Venkys came in and shook things up, those clubs deserve to drop after the way these managers saved their asses this season
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@canefan Alternative argument being that while they did the job of avoiding relegation both are severely limited and unlikely to bring any lasting success.
Bothy dubious appointments at the time - but I guess it was a case of working with what was available. Fan bases at both clubs very anti as well.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2017/2018:
@canefan Alternative argument being that while they did the job of avoiding relegation both are severely limited and unlikely to bring any lasting success.
Bothy dubious appointments at the time - but I guess it was a case of working with what was available. Fan bases at both clubs very anti as well.
For some of the lower clubs success is staying in the EPL. Not everyone can play the beautiful game, others need to graft and grind to survive. Fat Sam has a proven record, has he ever been relegated from the Prem?
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@canefan I'm a Fulham supporter I know ALL about the concept of relative success.
the counter argument was not necessarily one I fully support but in these instances I don't think either Manager is the right fit for the club.
Everton have ambitions to do more than merely survive and frankly Moyes looks shot as a Manager. Better to cut your losses now.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2017/2018:
@canefan I'm a Fulham supporter I know ALL about the concept of relative success.
the counter argument was not necessarily one I fully support but in these instances I don't think either Manager is the right fit for the club.
Everton have ambitions to do more than merely survive and frankly Moyes looks shot as a Manager. Better to cut your losses now.
I agree about Everton. They have been a club I admired back in the Moyes era, for being a tough team to beat. In hindsight he should never have left because both he and the club have not been as good since. It may be too late, too much water under the bridge and he may be damaged goods, but perhaps Moyes and Everton should reconcile?
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@majorrage said in EPL 2017/2018:
Moyes and Allardyce both sacked within 30 minutes. Unbelievable.
Both clubs in the shit after a couple of months so change manager. Both lead the teams to safety without playing the most exciting football (to be expected given team inheritance). Both sacked straight after the season ends.
Thats just wrong.
wait on wait on, that's not quite the whole picture. Everton have been shit all year, but weren't really in danger when Fireman Sam came in. Since then they have been mind-numbingly dull, and the results have still been below expectation. The fans hate the football, and the whole club has gone backwards, Sam was never going to survive. He'll bide his time until some other club is in relegation danger, and need a guy to come in and bore teams to a series of nil-all draws.
West Ham and Moyes is a slightly different story. The whole club is in turmoil. The owners are fucking it up, the move to Olympic Stadium has pissed off everybody, Moyes' football has been pretty shit as well. I sympathise much more with him than Sam.
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
Because unlike other applicants, they have relevant experience on their resumes.
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@antipodean said in EPL 2017/2018:
@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
Because unlike other applicants, they have relevant experience on their resumes.
I can sort of understand that argument. But it omits a big part of the picture. They bail you out of relegation one year, then you sack them a year later for dull football that has you back in the relegation race.
Take Sam at Everton, the narrative of some will be he saved Everton this season, and was sacked. When he was appointed they had taken 15 points in 14 games, and of their 7 losses, they had already played City, Spurs, Man U, and Arsenal, games they probably would have lost anyway. Sam got them 34 in 24, yes a slight improvement, but there is nothing to say that wouldn't have happened anyway given the draw.
Overall, between this season and the last Everton dropped a place, but with 12 points fewer, and a goal difference that reduced by 32. A club of Everton's standing is not going to accept that. Their goal is "best of the rest".
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2017/2018:
I just don't know why Hughes, Pardew, Moyes, and Allardice keep getting hired.
A lack of depth amongst British managers. Like players, you get better value for money looking at continental Europe but some clubs aren't that adventurous.
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@bovidae said in EPL 2017/2018:
Arteta doesn't have many managerial experience though. Vieira would be a better option for an ex-player.
Heaps of names have been mentioned including Klopp's no.2 Željko Buvač.
I'm not too bothered with that. I imagine that whoever takes over, it won't go smoothly for a while
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@hooroo said in EPL 2017/2018:
@bovidae said in EPL 2017/2018:
Arteta doesn't have many managerial experience though. Vieira would be a better option for an ex-player.
Heaps of names have been mentioned including Klopp's no.2 Željko Buvač.
I'm not too bothered with that. I imagine that whoever takes over, it won't go smoothly for a while
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@mariner4life well, both West Ham and Everton fans have delusions of grandeur which is partly to blame.
The dour football argument is a shit one. You get given a team in a crap position, with little confidence and your expected to keep them up by playing exciting football? Not possible! Your first goal is to survive which means basically park the bus as much as possible.
Moyes and Allardyce careers are basically the same: long term success at one club, then a string of short term failures after. Both are looking for the same thing - time to really build a club. Both signed on and achieved their first goal - Allardycr better than Moyes and now both gone.
Pretty shitty.
