Black Caps vs Windies Series
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@virgil said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
Fuck what a collapse. 59/0 to 97/7.
Seen this before with the Windies, while back they raced to 200 odd without loss then we cleaned them up for fuck all else.
Might have been @MN5 lover Cairns who carved them upI do love a good cricketer if he's called Chris....
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Just had a quick look at our bowlers..
I know CdG (7 tests) and Henry (9 tests) haven't played much.
Averages
CdG 26.37
Wagner 27.71
Boult 28.64
Henry 50.27Strike Rate
Wagner 52.06
Boult 58.00
CdG 61.06
Henry 91.40Economy Rate
CdG 2.59
Boult 2.96
Wagner 3.19
Henry 3.29 -
@mimic tough on Henry, most of his tests have been vs England away, vs Australia away and vs India away. I'd hazard a guess that most NZ bowlers have poor records against those countries away from home.
CDGH's record is ALL at home, vs Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa.
I'd discard both players stats from that analysis.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mimic tough on Henry, most of his tests have been vs England away, vs Australia away and vs India away. I'd hazard a guess that most NZ bowlers have poor records against those countries away from home.
CDGH's record is ALL at home, vs Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa.
I'd discard both players stats from that analysis.
Henry's record at home is even worse.
Average of 59.00, strike rate of 125.0, although his economy rate is better at 2.83 -
god this is boring
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
god this is boring
BAN THIS PRICK
Last time someone on this thread said the match was boring nine wickets tumbled for 50 odd
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
god this is boring
These youngsters that have grown up on a diet on shits and giggles T20 cricket have no appreciation for the purest form of the game. These two are doing a job and doing it well.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
god this is boring
These youngsters that have grown up on a diet on shits and giggles T20 cricket have no appreciation for the purest form of the game. These two are doing a job and doing it well.
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@mimic said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mimic tough on Henry, most of his tests have been vs England away, vs Australia away and vs India away. I'd hazard a guess that most NZ bowlers have poor records against those countries away from home.
CDGH's record is ALL at home, vs Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa.
I'd discard both players stats from that analysis.
Henry's record at home is even worse.
Average of 59.00, strike rate of 125.0, although his economy rate is better at 2.83Now your sample size is even more meaningless. Henry is only 25, has a decent first class record and plenty of time to develop into a very handy bowler. Well worth perservering with.
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Grrr Latham gone going for the big hook shot. Needed to put those risky scoring shots away for the night.
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@no-quarter no, just hit it harder!
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Kane gets himself out and it's game on.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mimic said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mimic tough on Henry, most of his tests have been vs England away, vs Australia away and vs India away. I'd hazard a guess that most NZ bowlers have poor records against those countries away from home.
CDGH's record is ALL at home, vs Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa.
I'd discard both players stats from that analysis.
Henry's record at home is even worse.
Average of 59.00, strike rate of 125.0, although his economy rate is better at 2.83Now your sample size is even more meaningless. Henry is only 25, has a decent first class record and plenty of time to develop into a very handy bowler. Well worth perservering with.
Yep, but I notice a lot of shade thrown CdG's way, when Henry is lucky to be there. Lockie Ferguson is 26, and I believe he deserves the spot ahead of Henry.
But if sample size is something you want to look at, then I'll look at the first class records.First Class Average
Lockie 24.04
Henry 28.87
CdG 29.34First Class SR
Lockie 43.3
Henry 55.0
CdG 62.8First Class Econ
CdG 2.80
Henry 3.14
Lockie 3.32One thing in CdG's favour is that he has has a better batting record in first class cricket.
First Class batting average
CdG 35.37
Henry 22.23
Lockie 16.19People need to keep in mind the CdG is there as a bowling all-rounder and the 4th seamer, and his bowling record is comparable to Henry who is a specialist bowler.
CdG is purely there because Corey and Jimmy are always injured, and they're more batting all-rounders who are rubbish with the ball.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
god this is boring
These youngsters that have grown up on a diet on shits and giggles T20 cricket have no appreciation for the purest form of the game. These two are doing a job and doing it well.
I'm only liking this cos of Star Wars.
He doesn't like you.
I don't like you either.
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@mimic you won't hear any arguments from me re: Lockie. This game was a perfect opportunity to give him a go, and IMO he should be there ahead of CdG who is 31 and certainly not a long term answer. I'm not a fan of picking all-rounders that are not and never will be good enough at either discipline. In ODIs and T20s it can work as 20 - 30 handy runs or a couple of wickets can make a difference, but in tests if you don't have an all-rounder good enough then you should go with the more traditional balance. Plus we already have Santner to fill that role!
I like CdG but he shouldn't be in the test side, especially against the Windies at home when we have talented youngsters in the wings.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Windies 1st Test:
@mimic you won't hear any arguments from me re: Lockie. This game was a perfect opportunity to give him a go, and IMO he should be there ahead of CdG who is 31 and certainly not a long term answer. I'm not a fan of picking all-rounders that are not and never will be good enough at either discipline. In ODIs and T20s it can work as 20 - 30 handy runs or a couple of wickets can make a difference, but in tests if you don't have an all-rounder good enough then you should go with the more traditional balance. Plus we already have Santner to fill that role!
I like CdG but he shouldn't be in the test side, especially against the Windies at home when we have talented youngsters in the wings.
The problem is if you pick Lockie at 8, you have Blundell on debut at 7 and Santner at 6 who averages about 25 with the bat.
