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      Steven Harris @taniwharugby last edited by Duluth

      @taniwharugby besides spoilers are actually team capable of beating someone,don’t see it in the Blues..unless they have a few bods to come back on board..

      Was chatting to a good friend and were talking about, who since super rugby started in 1996 would make the greatest ever Blues playing XV
      We threw out a few names,and it’s a telling indightment if you picked a top XV ,there would be very few selected from recent seasons
      Wing was the hardest to select.
      Here’s a few names to get the ball rolling..

      Fullbacks Mils Muliaina/Charles Piatau/Adrian Cashmore/Jared Payne
      Wings Jonah/Rupeni,Joeli/Joe Rocokoko/Doug Howlett/Reiko Ioane/Rene Ranger/Rudi Wulf
      Centre Eroni Clark/Jeremy Stanley
      2nd Five SBW /Ma Nonu..?/Sam Tuitupou/Benson Stanley,Johnny Ngamu/Isaia Toeava
      1st Five Carlos Spencer,probably the easiest to pick not much since then
      Halfback Offisa Tonu/Steve Devine.

      Just thought I would throw some backs out there first ,thoughts..?

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        taniwharugby @Steven Harris last edited by taniwharugby

        @steven-harris haha those wings though...wow! If you choose all at thier peak - Lomu/Rupeni would be my 2.

        Jeremy Stanley looked immensley promising but for his neck injury

        Sam Tuitopou, Piutau & Isa Nacewa

        Am struggling to remember too many at all...am sure there are plenty of well known names I've forgotten.

        Loosies- Rush, Akira, Zinny, Carter, Braid, Gus, Blowers, Jones, Kaino
        LOcks - Brooke, Ali, Reichleman
        Props - Brown, Dowd, Faumuina,
        Hookers - Mealamu, Fitzy, Whitcombe

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          Steven Harris @taniwharugby last edited by Steven Harris

          @taniwharugby had to go back and edit lol,when you look at these names that we have quickly written down it tells you something about where we are at the minute
          Was Isa Nacewa a wing who played fullback or the other way round..?for some reason I though may have also played closer in on the odd occasion..
          I probably would have Stephen Luatua in the pack as well

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          • Duluth
            Duluth @Steven Harris last edited by

            @steven-harris said in Blues v Jaguares:

            if you picked a top XV

            Kaino would be the only recent player in my top XV (Jones/Brooke/Kaino)

            Obviously there's some good players that get squeezed out because of how incredible some of those early teams were. Mealamu vs Fitzpatrick for example.

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              Steven Harris @Duluth last edited by

              @duluth who would you have at fullback centre and 2nd five..?

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                gt12 @Duluth last edited by

                @duluth

                That’s fine, Mealamu probably makes an all-time Chiefs 15 ahead of Hika.

                If I were selecting that Blues team though, I’d pick 23. Makes it a little easier to squeeze in some extra players 🙂

                Toeava at 12 for me. I still hate it that he never got a proper shot at that position, but when he was fit, and at 12, he was unstoppable. If not there, 23 for sure.

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                • Duluth
                  Duluth @Steven Harris last edited by

                  @steven-harris said in Blues v Jaguares:

                  @duluth who would you have at fullback centre and 2nd five..?

                  12/13 would be Stensness/Clarke

                  Eroni Clarke is my favourite Blues player of all time. I thought Stensness was always underrated because he had more spectacular players around him

                  15 depends on how you want the team to play. I would go for the 2003 fullback Howlett and go for all out attack.

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                    Duluth last edited by Duluth

                    Ok, I'll be the first to stick my neck out.

                    Criticise away..

                    1 Dowd
                    2 Fitzpatrick
                    3 Brown
                    4 Williams
                    5 R Brooke
                    6 Kaino
                    7 Jones
                    8 Z Brooke
                    9 Tonu'u
                    10 Spencer
                    11 Caucaunibuca
                    12 Stensness
                    13 Clarke
                    14 Rokocoko
                    15 Howlett

                    16 Mealamu
                    17 Woodcock
                    18 Faumuina
                    19 Luatua
                    20 D Braid
                    21 Devine
                    22 Nacewa
                    23 Toeava

                    In summary its mostly the 95-98 team, a bit of the 2003 team and some reserves from late in Lam's tenure.

                    Not a single player that had a debut post Lam

                    I've picked based on what they did for the Blues.

                    I'm sure some people would squeeze others into the midfield like Ranger, Mils, Gear, Tuitupou etc. Where it's close of gone for the most consistent over a long time for the Blues

                    Hardest selections? Wing by a mile. I had to leave out Lomu. So many other good wingers don't make the 23

                    The next hardest was backup flyhalf. I gave up and it will be covered by utilities - Stensness or Nacewa

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                      Nepia @Duluth last edited by Nepia

                      @duluth Did MJ ever play 7 for the Blues? He was almost an exclusive 6 by then wasn't he ... not that I'm arguing with the selection, he'd be my 7 too 🙂

                      Also, surprised Dowd was with the Blues so long ... I'd still have Woodcock over him.

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                        Nepia @Nepia last edited by

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                        • Duluth
                          Duluth @Nepia last edited by

                          @nepia

                          Yeah it was mostly Blowers and Carter at 7 in those years

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                            Steven Harris @Duluth last edited by

                            @duluth

                            My 23 would be

                            1 Woodcock
                            2 Fitzpatrick
                            3 Famauina
                            4 Williams
                            5 R Brooke
                            6 Kaino
                            7 Jones
                            8 Z Brooke
                            9 Tonu'u
                            10 Spencer
                            11 Caucaunibuca
                            12 Stensness
                            13 Clarke
                            14 Lomu
                            15 Howlett

                            16 Mealamu
                            17 Dowd
                            18 brown
                            19 Luatua
                            20 Luke Braid
                            21 Devine
                            22 Nacewa
                            23 Toeava

                            Really unlucky Rocokoko,

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                              Nepia last edited by Nepia

                              This is a hard team to get into, a 100 test AB fullback can't make the squad and the best wing in the world doesn't get a mention (TBF he only has a season or two under his belt).

                              Mine:
                              Woody
                              Fitzy
                              Brown
                              Williams
                              Brooke
                              Kaino
                              Jones
                              Brooke
                              Devine
                              Spencer
                              Rupeni
                              Tuitupou
                              Clarke
                              Lomu
                              Howlett

                              Mealamu
                              Dowd
                              Faumuina
                              Reichlmann
                              Braid
                              Stensness
                              Mils

                              I've picked Tuitupou over Stensness for the same reason people are picking Howlett on his 2003 form. He was the perfect foil for Spencer. Same with Devine at 9.

                              Reichlmann over Luatua as lock/6 cover as he's a better lock then Luatua.

                              Had Evans as last back reserve but then realised he only played one season. Didn't rate Nacewa as highly as a 10 as others on here so Stensness is back up 10 and midfield.

                              I wonder who will be the certainties from every poster - Spencer (unless Joe Schmidt is voting), Kaino, Williams? Maybe Fitzy, Zinny and MJ unless there are few youngins on here? Rupeni?

                              Edit: Realised I too had left out Mils, he goes on to my bench and Toeava slips off (he could be bracketed with Stensness I guess).

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                              • MN5
                                MN5 last edited by MN5

                                Joeli Vidiri was sensational for them back in the day. That list of potential wings is ridiculously good. Waisake Sotutu hasn't even been mentioned yet!

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                                  Nepia @MN5 last edited by

                                  @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                  Joeli Vidiri was sensational for them back in the day. That list of potential wings is ridiculously good. Waisake Sotutu hasn't even been mentioned yet!

                                  For good reason, he wasn't close to being as good as the other wings named and only player 4 matches for the Blues.

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                                    MN5 @Nepia last edited by

                                    @nepia said in All time Blues XV:

                                    @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                    Joeli Vidiri was sensational for them back in the day. That list of potential wings is ridiculously good. Waisake Sotutu hasn't even been mentioned yet!

                                    For good reason, he wasn't close to being as good as the other wings named and only player 4 matches for the Blues.

                                    Well when you put it like that....

                                    Very good for Auckland though. My memory is clearly fading...

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                                      Steven Harris @Nepia last edited by Steven Harris

                                      @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                      Fitzpatrick
                                      Jones
                                      R Brooke
                                      Z Brooke
                                      Kaino
                                      Spencer
                                      Clark
                                      Rupeni
                                      Lomu
                                      Howlett

                                      Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

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                                        Nepia @Steven Harris last edited by

                                        @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                        @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                        Fitzpatrick
                                        Jones
                                        R Brooke
                                        Z Brooke
                                        Kaino
                                        Spencer
                                        Clark
                                        Rupeni
                                        Lomu
                                        Howlett

                                        Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                        Not so sure on Howlett, Mils was a better long term fullback and he'd be competing with Lomu, Rupeni on the wing so one of those three miss out if someone only sees him as a wing.

                                        Younger posters might not select MJ 'out of position' at 7 either?

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                                          canefan @Nepia last edited by

                                          @nepia Iceman was far and away the best 7 for the Blues and top 2 or 3 all time ABs. Put him in there and free up a spot for R Brooke. Put him in at 6 and who makes it in the 7 jersey? Daniel Braid? Don't say Mark Carter 😉

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                                            Nepia @canefan last edited by

                                            @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                            @nepia Iceman was far and away the best 7 for the Blues and top 2 or 3 all time ABs. Put him in there and free up a spot for R Brooke. Put him in at 6 and who makes it in the 7 jersey? Daniel Braid? Don't say Mark Carter 😉

                                            Are you drunk (or didn't read any of the preceding posts)? MJ was a 6 for the Blues and there's no way Robin Brooke is better than Kaino at 6 🤔 .

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                                              canefan @Nepia last edited by

                                              @nepia said in All time Blues XV:

                                              @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                              @nepia Iceman was far and away the best 7 for the Blues and top 2 or 3 all time ABs. Put him in there and free up a spot for R Brooke. Put him in at 6 and who makes it in the 7 jersey? Daniel Braid? Don't say Mark Carter 😉

                                              Are you drunk (or didn't read any of the preceding posts)? MJ was a 6 for the Blues and there's no way Robin Brooke is better than Kaino at 6 🤔 .

                                              Option A mate 🙂 Excuse me for butting in where I don't belong. Unforgiveable that I forgot Kaino (even though Brooke won more Super titles). Carry on.....

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                                              • MN5
                                                MN5 last edited by MN5

                                                No love for Andrew Blowers at 7? Unlike MJ he did actually play there and won consecutive titles there. I'd pick him.

                                                A bit of a stop start AB career might mean he gets forgotten by some I guess.

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                                                  MN5 @Steven Harris last edited by

                                                  @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                  @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                  Fitzpatrick
                                                  Jones
                                                  R Brooke
                                                  Z Brooke
                                                  Kaino
                                                  Spencer
                                                  Clark
                                                  Rupeni
                                                  Lomu
                                                  Howlett

                                                  Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                  I remember watching this live in Oz in the 03 WC. As you say he was just lethal, thank fuck he didn't get more ball from a Scots perspective.

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                                                    canefan @Steven Harris last edited by

                                                    @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                    @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                    Fitzpatrick
                                                    Jones
                                                    R Brooke
                                                    Z Brooke
                                                    Kaino
                                                    Spencer
                                                    Clark
                                                    Rupeni
                                                    Lomu
                                                    Howlett

                                                    Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                    Rocket man ahead of Jonah? Nah

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                                                      MN5 @canefan last edited by

                                                      @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                      @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                      @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                      Fitzpatrick
                                                      Jones
                                                      R Brooke
                                                      Z Brooke
                                                      Kaino
                                                      Spencer
                                                      Clark
                                                      Rupeni
                                                      Lomu
                                                      Howlett

                                                      Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                      Rocket man ahead of Jonah? Nah

                                                      Rokokoko saved his best for the black jersey if I remember rightly.

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                                                        canefan @MN5 last edited by canefan

                                                        @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                                        @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                        @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                        @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                        Fitzpatrick
                                                        Jones
                                                        R Brooke
                                                        Z Brooke
                                                        Kaino
                                                        Spencer
                                                        Clark
                                                        Rupeni
                                                        Lomu
                                                        Howlett

                                                        Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                        Rocket man ahead of Jonah? Nah

                                                        Rokokoko saved his best for the black jersey if I remember rightly.

                                                        How shit was that pass to the big man? Went sideways and back to gather then it's all over

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                                                          MN5 @canefan last edited by

                                                          @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                          @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                                          @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                          @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                          @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                          Fitzpatrick
                                                          Jones
                                                          R Brooke
                                                          Z Brooke
                                                          Kaino
                                                          Spencer
                                                          Clark
                                                          Rupeni
                                                          Lomu
                                                          Howlett

                                                          Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                          Rocket man ahead of Jonah? Nah

                                                          Rokokoko saved his best for the black jersey if I remember rightly.

                                                          How shit was that pass to the big man? Went sideways and back to gather then it's all over

                                                          Cheers canefan. Always good seeing footage you've never seen before.

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                                                            canefan @MN5 last edited by canefan

                                                            @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                                            @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                            @mn5 said in All time Blues XV:

                                                            @canefan said in All time Blues XV:

                                                            @steven-harris said in All time Blues XV:

                                                            @nepia Certs on any poster would be

                                                            Fitzpatrick
                                                            Jones
                                                            R Brooke
                                                            Z Brooke
                                                            Kaino
                                                            Spencer
                                                            Clark
                                                            Rupeni
                                                            Lomu
                                                            Howlett

                                                            Rocokoko is the one that’s doing my head,great finisher..do you pick him ahead of Jonah..Rupeni in my opinion ,and I got too see a lot of him close up when I did the sideline reports at Northland Taniwha games was just lethal,gased very good wingers like they weren’t even there..shame he played one game for Fiji when he was young..if he had played for the ABs in the NZ system could have been anything

                                                            Rocket man ahead of Jonah? Nah

                                                            Rokokoko saved his best for the black jersey if I remember rightly.

                                                            How shit was that pass to the big man? Went sideways and back to gather then it's all over

                                                            Cheers canefan. Always good seeing footage you've never seen before.

                                                            🙂 never gets old

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                                                              Gunner last edited by

                                                              Woodcock
                                                              Fitzpatrick
                                                              Brown
                                                              Williams
                                                              R Brooke
                                                              Kaino
                                                              Jones
                                                              Z Brooke
                                                              Devine
                                                              Spencer
                                                              Rupeni
                                                              Tuitupou
                                                              Clarke
                                                              Lomu
                                                              Mils

                                                              Mealamu
                                                              Dowd
                                                              Faumuina
                                                              Luatua
                                                              Blowers
                                                              Tonu’u
                                                              Evans
                                                              Howlett

                                                              Gone with Evans as he was a bloody good player, despite only being there one year. Covers 10/15
                                                              Can afford to have a 14/15 on the bench as Mils covers midfield.

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                                                                Duluth @Gunner last edited by

                                                                @gunner said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                Gone with Evans as he was a bloody good player, despite only being there one year. Covers 10/15

                                                                Good player obviously, but I struggle to put Evans in an all time Blues team when his form for the Blues was poor. He was replaced by Nacewa that year

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                                                                  Gunner @Duluth last edited by

                                                                  @duluth said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                  @gunner said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                  Gone with Evans as he was a bloody good player, despite only bkeing there one year. Covers 10/15

                                                                  Good player obviously, but I struggle to put Evans in an all time Blues team when his form for the Blues was poor. He was replaced by Nacewa that year

                                                                  Fair enough - my memory of his form whilst at the Blues is poor.

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                                                                    ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                    I’d have Rok ahead of Lomu. His record at the Blues over a long period was excellent. I think overall Rok was better for the Blues.

                                                                    Howlett ahead of Mils. And even though he was only there for a relatively short period, Caucau was simply awesome in a Blues jersey.

                                                                    I was a big fan of both Eroni Clarke and Tuitupo.

                                                                    Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

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                                                                      mariner4life last edited by

                                                                      Cashmore
                                                                      Doug
                                                                      Clarke
                                                                      Tuitupo
                                                                      Rupeni
                                                                      Carlos
                                                                      Devine
                                                                      Zinny
                                                                      Braid
                                                                      MJ
                                                                      Brooke
                                                                      Williams
                                                                      Brown
                                                                      Fitzy
                                                                      Dowd

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                                                                      • Crucial
                                                                        Crucial last edited by

                                                                        Mils ahead of Cashmore with Nacewa on bench covering 10,15. Leaves room for either Dougie or Vidiri on the bench.
                                                                        Did MJ play at 7 for blues? Hadn't he moved by then? If that is the case, he has to play 6 with JK on bench instead of Blowers.

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                                                                        • kiwiinmelb
                                                                          kiwiinmelb last edited by

                                                                          You could almost roll out the 2003 backline , cant remember exactly how it went , but i do remember as an attacking unit , it was as good if not better as any backline i have seen operating at super rugby level

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                                                                            Salacious Crumb last edited by

                                                                            If there was ever one player I wanted ABs to poach, it was Rupeni. Omg I wanted to see what he looked like wearing black. (And if not for pressure from back home, I’ve always believed he was a little heartbroken that he never got to do it.)

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                                                                              Salacious Crumb @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                              @act-crusader said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                              Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

                                                                              Oh, really?

                                                                              #TwistsTheKnife

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                                                                                nzzp @Salacious Crumb last edited by

                                                                                @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                                #TwistsTheKnife

                                                                                Given our current performance, this just makes me sad now.

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                                                                                • kiwiinmelb
                                                                                  kiwiinmelb @Salacious Crumb last edited by

                                                                                  @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

                                                                                  If there was ever one player I wanted ABs to poach, it was Rupeni. Omg I wanted to see what he looked like wearing black. (And if not for pressure from back home, I’ve always believed he was a little heartbroken that he never got to do it.)

                                                                                  Yeah I would love to have seen it for no other reason to see the best brought out in him , was an exceptional natural talent , was sad to see him running around fat and slow a few years later

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                                                                                    cgrant last edited by

                                                                                    For me, Olo Brown is another certainty. He was the best tighthead prop in the world in the late nineties while Charlie Faumuina never was.

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