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@booboo It's just not Cricket, I'm afraid. No young cricketer should be stood down from captaining his nation solely because of his race.
Shameful action by Cricket South Africa. I hope the International Cricket Council and other sporting bodies take swift action in response.
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@sparky said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@booboo It's just not Cricket, I'm afraid. No young cricketer should be stood down from captaining his nation solely because of his race.
Shameful action by Cricket South Africa. I hope the International Cricket Council and other sporting bodies take swift action in response.
Religion in this case.
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@booboo Being Jewish is race. But it can also be a religion. Judaism is an ethnic religion, but not all Jews choose to practice it or believe it, if that makes sense. Lots of Jews choose to practice some aspects of the religion of their ancestors.
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@sparky said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@booboo Being Jewish is race. But it can also be a religion. Judaism is an ethnic religion, but not all Jews choose to practice it or believe it, if that makes sense. Lots of Jews choose to practice some aspects of the religion of their ancestors.
Less and less so?
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@sparky said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@booboo It's just not Cricket, I'm afraid. No young cricketer should be stood down from captaining his nation solely because of his race.
Shameful action by Cricket South Africa. I hope the International Cricket Council and other sporting bodies take swift action in response.
This is the same country that Hamas has an actual office in.
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It would be great if South Africa would put as much effort into lowering the number of murders and rapes in their own country as they do into presenting to the ICJ about perceived genocides.
And before you comment @Winger, I’m not suggesting that they can’t petition the ICJ if they want to. Just that their energies would be appreciated by their own people even more!
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@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
perceived genocides
The authors of the Old Testament (& Hebrew bible) have a lot to answer for. (The fictional? character) Jesus was right me thinks
“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44
And don't forget these people (who are guided by this dangerous nonsense) also control the West now. If collectively we don't make a stand, then what next? WW3 where we are all at risk. Or more silly reasons (like saving the planet) to remove our rights etc.
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
perceived genocides
The authors of the Old Testament (& Hebrew bible) have a lot to answer for. (The fictional? character) Jesus was right me thinks
*“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 *
And don't forget these people (who are guided by this dangerous nonsense) also control the West now. If collectively we don't make a stand, then what next? WW3 where we are all at risk. Or more silly reasons (like saving the planet) to remove our rights etc.
What does the Gospel of John have to do with what guides the Jewish state?
Or do you mean the Islamists who are guided by dangerous nonsense?
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@Winger Pro-Palestine supporters would be on firmer ground levelling a charge of ethnic cleansing, rather than genocide. Especially if one listens to ultra-conservative Zionists. if we are being objective.
"While ethnic cleansing and genocide may share the same goal and the acts which are used to perpetrate both crimes may often resemble each other, ethnic cleansing is intended to displace a persecuted population from a given territory, while genocide is intended to destroy a group."
Look at the population of Gaza. It isn't going down!!
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@booboo said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
perceived genocides
The authors of the Old Testament (& Hebrew bible) have a lot to answer for. (The fictional? character) Jesus was right me thinks
*“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 *
And don't forget these people (who are guided by this dangerous nonsense) also control the West now. If collectively we don't make a stand, then what next? WW3 where we are all at risk. Or more silly reasons (like saving the planet) to remove our rights etc.
What does the Gospel of John have to do with what guides the Jewish state?
Or do you mean the Islamists who are guided by dangerous nonsense?
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@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Look at the population of Gaza. It isn't going down!!
I think it is now, not counting those leaving, probably permanently
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/14/1224673502/gaza-numbers-100-days-israel-hamas -
@booboo said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
perceived genocides
The authors of the Old Testament (& Hebrew bible) have a lot to answer for. (The fictional? character) Jesus was right me thinks
*“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 *
And don't forget these people (who are guided by this dangerous nonsense) also control the West now. If collectively we don't make a stand, then what next? WW3 where we are all at risk. Or more silly reasons (like saving the planet) to remove our rights etc.
What does the Gospel of John have to do with what guides the Jewish state?
Or do you mean the Islamists who are guided by dangerous nonsense?
he's accusing the Jews of being murderers using Jesus' words to do it. I am struggling to read this as anything other than antisemitism - tarring all Jews with this label.
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@booboo said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@stodders said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
perceived genocides
The authors of the Old Testament (& Hebrew bible) have a lot to answer for. (The fictional? character) Jesus was right me thinks
*“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 *
And don't forget these people (who are guided by this dangerous nonsense) also control the West now. If collectively we don't make a stand, then what next? WW3 where we are all at risk. Or more silly reasons (like saving the planet) to remove our rights etc.
What does the Gospel of John have to do with what guides the Jewish state?
Or do you mean the Islamists who are guided by dangerous nonsense?
I'll ask again.
What has the GOSPEL of John got to do with what the JEWS believe?
And also, are their enemy guided by any sort of similar nonsense? Or are they completely secular and atheistic?
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"His recent biblical reference has long been used by the Israeli far right to justify killing Palestinians."
No, it's been used to justify killing Palestinians who want to kill people for being Jews. Lets' remind ourselves the only party in this conflict who want to kill every single member of a race - Jews - wherever they may be, is Hamas.
Swap "Israeli Far right" and "Palestinians" for "WWII Allies" and "Nazis" respectively and you'll understand what nonsense the writer is propounding
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Lets' remind ourselves the only party in this conflict who want to kill every single member of a race - Jews - wherever they may be, is Hamas.
Except their latest charter states otherwise. As you well know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter/2
The "Zionist project" (paragraphs 14 to 17) is described as a "racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others" that is hostile to the Palestinian people and their aspirations for freedom, return and self-determination.[16] This project, the document says, not only poses a threat to the Palestinians, but also threatens the "security and interests" of the entire Arab and Islamic Ummah.[16] The document goes on to state that the conflict revolves solely around this project and that there is no religiously based conflict with Jews.[2][6] It states that "Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage."[3][17]
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and regarding your race comment. Here's various viewpoints on this. I like this definition but certainly not an expert.Similarly, in a Times of Israel blog post, Rabbi David Wolpe of Sinai Temple in Los Angeles, wrote that Jews are not really a race or nationality because “there are Jews of every skin color and from all corners of the world.” And they are not a religion because “one isn’t born into a religion.” (According to traditional Jewish law, those who have a Jewish mother are Jewish.)
Wolpe concluded that “Jews are a religious family. You can join family. You don’t leave your family by disliking it or disagreeing with it, but you can leave it by joining another family. That is historically how Judaism has worked.”
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