Rankings
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Been wondering about starting specific discussion about the Rankings for a few weeks, and given there has been another shuffle at the top of the rankings it may be worth exploring. (Not sure if there is an official Rankings thread?)
Ireland clean up the Taffs and go to number one going into the RWC.
I have a tendency to agree with Pichot that the system appears a little skewed.
Not that I'm complaining that NZ has lost the Number 1 spot, more that I currently see the two teams fighting it out for Number 1 in the last couple of weeks as being behind in favouritism compared to 2 or 3 other teams.
So as of Monday when they are reposted Ireland goes to 1. As I'm typing on my phone I can't be bothered trying to work out the other changes. But to my mind the winner of the RWC is more likely to be out of NZ, Eng and SA.
It's a bit of an anomaly as generally the WR Rankings are a reasonable reflection.
Would be interested if there are any thoughts as to tweaks to the current system, or a different system altogether?
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There's nothing wrong with the current system, it's based on results and it shows it like it is. Very close at the top. The only thing that could be tweaked is to spread the margin points bonus. ATM 15 or less Vs 16 or more. Maybe it should be banded win by up to 6, up to 13, up to 20, more than 20.
The results are going to change massively over RWC, as they are worth double, I guess because you don't want the world champ not being ranked number 1, which possibly could happen maybe?
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Rankings are fine. Ireland have
- won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
- won last 3 against France
- won last 2 against Aussies
- won last game versus us
- won last game against South Africa
They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.
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Rankings are fine. Ireland have
- won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
- won last 3 against France
- won last 2 against Aussies
- won last game versus us
- won last game against South Africa
They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.
I'm fine with it. They will not respond well to the added pressure
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Rankings are fine. Ireland have
- won back to back against Wales (who were #1)
- won last 3 against France
- won last 2 against Aussies
- won last game versus us
- won last game against South Africa
They got thrashed by England but have probably done enough to be number one. There's not much in it.
This.
Big difference between
- in a one-off match who would most likely win, and
- over the course of a season who's had the best record.
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NZ 92.47
Eng 89.74
Wales 88.87
SA 85.75
IRE 84.45
Japan 82.08
Aus 81.90
France 81.30
Scot 79.23
Arg 78.31
Japan have shot through the concealed roof in Tokyo...great to see them climbing...hope it's higher after tonight.
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@Blackheart What? Ozzie are down 6, so they lost the number one slot to seventh?
Edit oh down from 6th lol
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I didnt think these were updated until Monday normally?
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@taniwharugby this website did them live, but yes official no ranking change until Monday 12 Dublin time
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@Machpants Mmmm...your'e right...here's the link says they're down 6..which means they were 1st
. Maybe I'll send BillyB a quick email.
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@Blackheart said in IRB rankings:
NZ (same) 92.47
Eng (up 3) 89.74
Wales (down 2) 88.87How can we be the same (at 1) and Wales down 2 to 3rd...and Ireland down 4 to 5th, so according to that, us, Ireland, Wales & Aus were al 1st, SA were 9th..
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Those number are what the last position was, Ozzie 7th (down from 6th)
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@taniwharugby view the climbers and the fallen. https://www.world.rugby/rankings/mru?lang=en
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Sorry Ive misread this...still hung over from drinking too much great NZ Cabernet last night....Eng up from 3 to2. RSA up from 5 to 4. Japan up from 7 to 6. Wales down from 2 to 3. Ireland down from 4 to 5. Aus down from 6 to 7.
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@taniwharugby said in IRB rankings:
I didnt think these were updated until Monday normally?
Usually. But I tthey'thinkI read 're doing after every game during RWC.
And not to go all @Stargazer but don't we already have a rankings thread?
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https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3372/rankings/2
Started by a top bloke ...
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If I can work out how to merge I will later.
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Aussies below Japan in the rankings. Time to re-admit the Sunwolves to Super Rugby and let Japan join the Rugby Championships.
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Aussies below Japan in the rankings. Time to re-admit the Sunwolves to Super Rugby and let Japan join the Rugby Championships.
Sorry but bollocks on the sun wolves. They're mostly not Japanese qualified and the JRU wanted to keep them subsidized by the rest of SANZAAR for the foreseeable future. They can pay their own way or fuck off
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It's called investment. Japan has 127 million people, is the world's third largest economy and has sheds lots of new Rugby fans. The country is going to bring a lot of revenue to Rugby.
Some talk of European Rugby offering Japan a spot in the Six Nations if SANZAAR turns up its nose.
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@sparky same talk of SA joining or just a bunch of nobodies saying they should let them in?
Will they kick Italy?
Georgia should be next cab off the rank.
Or they going to expand it right up to 7 or 8?
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Happy with Japan in RC, just not SW in SR. But you'd have to have less games, not one each home/away, if Japan joined with more rest weeks with the travel in the RC. Have to be alternating home/away like 6N - not a problem, and one extra Bledisloe
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It's called investment. Japan has 127 million people, is the world's third largest economy and has sheds lots of new Rugby fans. The country is going to bring a lot of revenue to Rugby.
Some talk of European Rugby offering Japan a spot in the Six Nations if SANZAAR turns up its nose.
Georgia? Romania?
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It's called investment. Japan has 127 million people, is the world's third largest economy and has sheds lots of new Rugby fans. The country is going to bring a lot of revenue to Rugby.
Some talk of European Rugby offering Japan a spot in the Six Nations if SANZAAR turns up its nose.
Who’s talking about offering them a spot in the 6 n?
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@Machpants having a Japanese side in super rugby is fine, so long as it is backed by Rugby Japan and it gets thier top players rather than the SW who were basically the red-headed step-child.
I think invite Japan and Fiji and then go home/away on alternate years, same format as 6N.
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@taniwharugby Yeah happy with that too, but JRU are at fault, the way they didn;t do anything for SW, not SANZAAR
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@jegga This Ugo Moyne piece has created discussions. Nothing formal yet but don't write it off entirely.
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@jegga This Ugo Moyne piece has created discussions. Nothing formal yet but don't write it off entirely.
So an opinion piece in the Guardian? No one in 6n management?
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@jegga by an ex England player too
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@jegga Like I said nothing formal yet. But what Ugo is writing for the Guardian, his RFU friends are thinking about.
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@jegga Like I said nothing formal yet. But what Ugo is writing for the Guardian, his RFU friends are thinking about.
I doubt that . They’d take South Africa before Japan
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@jegga Like I said nothing formal yet. But what Ugo is writing for the Guardian, his RFU friends are thinking about.
I doubt that . They’d take South Africa before Japan
UK government are very keen on closer links to Japan at the moment. Part of their Global Britain, post-EU strategy.
Not saying it is definitely going to happen. But if SANZAAR make life hard for Japan, they will take their yen and millions of new Rugby fans elsewhere.
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@jegga Like I said nothing formal yet. But what Ugo is writing for the Guardian, his RFU friends are thinking about.
I doubt that . They’d take South Africa before Japan
UK government are very keen on closer links to Japan at the moment. Part of their Global Britain, post-EU strategy.
Not saying it is going to happen. But if SANZAAR make life hard for Japan, they will take their yen and millions of new Rugby fans elsewhere.
Never going to happen.
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Japan still have to do it consistently and away from home to be regarded as a major force in rugby.
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Japan are in the wrong time zone for the 6 Nations.
Games playing in the middle of the night don't attract viewers.
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@sparky well consider it done then eh! UK government are nothing if not efficient.
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First time for a while that the ranking look pretty accurate, probably a slight adjustment after Wales lose to Boks and it'll be correct!
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- England - 92.29
- South Africa - 90.71
- New Zealand - 89.92
- Wales - 87.21
- Ireland - 84.45
- Australia - 81.90
- France - 80.88
- Japan - 79.28
- Scotland - 79.23
- Argentina - 78.31
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@Duluth Australia should be above Ireland. Nothing between NZ and SA. Hard to argue about the rest.
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