The Haka
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@MiketheSnow said in The Haka:
Done more to promote the fixture than the MSM tbf
Indeed he has. Wrote yesterday that it was a very subdued build up, but suddenly it's everywhere.
well played Joe.
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Maybe he'll get a reality TV gig out of it? Not Strictly or the Jungle but one of the Channel 5 ones.
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As long as he doesn't go on some half-naked survival camp and return with some form of tāmoko and a deeper appreciation of other cultures, then lectures across the country on the serious intergenerational harm of internet trolling.
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Oliver Brown from The Telegraph picking up from where Marler left off:
The haka is overused and it is absurd to stand there and simply watch it
It is preposterous that opponents are supposed to be mute and reverential while 15 man mountains threaten to tear them to tiny pieces
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I must admit too being a little torn on the subject of the Haka. On the one hand I like the spectacle, love the tradition of the Haka going back all those years too. It was a real something to look forward to due to the rarity of seeing it, particularly first hand. I would hate to see it stopped. On the other hand it does seem to have become a little precious, various factions in NZ (and beyond) get all frothy when it is mentioned or it is suggested it has had its time, we now have rules about what can and can't be done in response. The thing itself has become highly choreographed and of course we have several versions.
Much of this "on the other hand" stuff has, for me, reduced the enjoyment of the spectacle and I yearn for earlier times when we had Ka Mate, it was watched with respect by the opposition, applauded by the crowd and we then got on with the game.
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Oliver Brown from The Telegraph picking up from where Marler left off:
The haka is overused and it is absurd to stand there and simply watch it
It is preposterous that opponents are supposed to be mute and reverential while 15 man mountains threaten to tear them to tiny pieces
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Really sad that he think this is worth writing about
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Really, really sad that he thinks that what he's written is better than what Marler wrote
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Really, really, really sad that it took a wind up merchant to wake him up and write something in the lead up to a very important match for both sides
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@Catogrande said in The Haka:
On the other hand it does seem to have become a little precious, various factions in NZ (and beyond) get all frothy when it is mentioned or it is suggested it has had its time, we now have rules about what can and can't be done in response.
I agree with some of that. It's the rules around the team facing it I can't stand and (like I suspect the vast majority of NZ'er) loved the Willie Anderson/Cockerill/France 2011 approach. It is a challenge, FFS.
What gets me is the ignorance around it perpetuated by click-bait journalists who know perfectly well what they are saying is bollocks.
The thing itself has become highly choreographed and of course we have several versions.
By it's nature it has to be and there are many, many haka. My old school has 5 apparently.
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That last bit is where culturally, I am somewhat adrift. I understand that there are many different Haka but in relation to the ABs, it was, from memory, always Ka Mate and that was the tradition. Now we have others and that leaves me a little cool. But as I say, I may not understand the cultural ambiguity of it all.
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@Catogrande said in The Haka:
That last bit is where culturally, I am somewhat adrift. I understand that there are many different Haka but in relation to the ABs, it was, from memory, always Ka Mate and that was the tradition. Now we have others and that leaves me a little cool. But as I say, I may not understand the cultural ambiguity of it all.
There have actually been a number of them used by the AB's thru the years. Kapo o Pango (the "new" haka) is based on the one used by the 1924 team - Ko Niu Tireni. (As an aside, the latter was co-written by a non-maori so the multicultural thing goes back 100 years.)
Others are way better placed, but culturally it is a way of calling on ancestors and traditions & demonstrating physical prowess to the other side when they meet up. It's a friendly challenge and would normally responded to by another haka or similar.
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@Catogrande said in The Haka:
That last bit is where culturally, I am somewhat adrift. I understand that there are many different Haka but in relation to the ABs, it was, from memory, always Ka Mate and that was the tradition. Now we have others and that leaves me a little cool. But as I say, I may not understand the cultural ambiguity of it all.
I guess you'd be used to seeing Ka Mate as 'the' haka, when in reality it's 'a' haka (and not that good a one in my opinion).
TBF, there's only one other AB haka used and it's 20 years old now
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“Who is going to lead the haka?”
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@scribe Joe likes to pretend he's a hard man, but did he ever play on with one testicle torn open and hanging loose?
