Coronavirus - Overall
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But given the nature of the shutdown, could DHS ever have been prepared? Again I'm not saying they have nailed everything but I don't think there's a world where there wasn't queues at Centrelinks on Monday.
5% of the Canadian workforce applied for the equivalent of Centrelink payments last week and this happened without any major technical or service issues.
I blame the bureaucracy more than the government on that debacle though.
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I blame the bureaucracy more than the government on that debacle though.
Same for the Ruby Princess stuff. Ultimately it was a bureaucratic bungle, does it really matter what uniform the particular individual was wearing? Border Force or NSW Health, either way the advice given to let the people off the ship will go down in the Government Bungle Hall of Fame.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rotated said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I blame the bureaucracy more than the government on that debacle though.
Same for the Ruby Princess stuff. Ultimately it was a bureaucratic bungle, does it really matter what uniform the particular individual was wearing? Border Force or NSW Health, either way the advice given to let the people off the ship will go down in the Government Bungle Hall of Fame.
that one boat is proving to be a massive fuck up given the spread of cases from it alone.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rotated said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I blame the bureaucracy more than the government on that debacle though.
Same for the Ruby Princess stuff. Ultimately it was a bureaucratic bungle, does it really matter what uniform the particular individual was wearing? Border Force or NSW Health, either way the advice given to let the people off the ship will go down in the Government Bungle Hall of Fame.
Disagree. When the posture a month or so (who knows time anymore?) was to airlift people from Wuhan and the Japanese cruiseliner to Christmas Island (rightfully) then leaving the door open to that was insane.
The general public must have just assumed this had already been done, but obviously not.
Introducing a travel ban or forced 14 day quarantine for ships can be introduced in a day. Transforming the Centrelink bureaucracy probably takes a two term government and about three leaders.
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Saw a similar click-baity headline at NZH
Arizona man dies, wife ill after taking drug touted as virus treatment: "Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure"
The dim lightbulbs drank fish tank cleaner.
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@Salacious-Crumb yep that's a Darwin nominee for sure. Although apparently now all stocks of chloroquine have disappeared off the shelves and the people it is intended to treat can't get it. Unintended consequences.
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yikes
The number of coronavirus cases in Italy may be 10 times what's been officially reported, a lead Italian expert says.
"It is credible to estimate that there are 10 positive cases for every one officially reported," Angelo Borrelli, the head of the national Civil Protection Agency, told Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
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Because I'm a data nerd I've been looking at the data underpinning the John Hopkins Covid-19 dashboard. (https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19)
I'm quite confident in stating for the record we won't be replicating Italy's death rate - it's a clear outlier (if we accept China's data). Countries that as of yesterday were close to Italy were Iraq, Indonesia...
Germany has ~25,000 confirmed cases and less than one hundred deaths. On the 20th of February we had five times as many confirmed cases as Italy, three days later they had seven times more than us.
Probable (IMO) explanation is that culture and demographics have at least as much to explain this rapid escalation as ICU availability because many other countries had more confirmed cases and haven't experienced the same exponential runaway.
Of course, it's entirely possible that there's substantial variance in the capturing of the data, but there's sufficient data points now IMO.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Because I'm a data nerd I've been looking at the data underpinning the John Hopkins Covid-19 dashboard. (https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19)
I'm quite confident in stating for the record we won't be replicating Italy's death rate - it's a clear outlier (if we accept China's data). Countries that as of yesterday were close to Italy were Iraq, Indonesia...
Germany has ~25,000 confirmed cases and less than one hundred deaths. On the 20th of February we had five times as many confirmed cases as Italy, three days later they had seven times more than us.
Probable (IMO) explanation is that culture and demographics have at least as much to explain this rapid escalation as ICU availability because many other countries had more confirmed cases and haven't experienced the same exponential runaway.
Of course, it's entirely possible that there's substantial variance in the capturing of the data, but there's sufficient data points now IMO.
Please keep us posted on these stats! I love a good positive statistic when it comes to this.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Then there's the example of the QLD border closure at Coolangatta - Tweed Heads.
My Mum is in the hospital (unrelated to CV) in Tweed and she lives in Coolangatta. TBF, it's pretty easy to tell what state you're in, if you need an offroad vehicle you're on the NSW side.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
yikes
The number of coronavirus cases in Italy may be 10 times what's been officially reported, a lead Italian expert says.
"It is credible to estimate that there are 10 positive cases for every one officially reported," Angelo Borrelli, the head of the national Civil Protection Agency, told Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
That's actually good news - it means that it's not as bad from a virulence perspective.
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@antipodean good point, which I guess means thier % of those with it dying probably isnt as high as it looks now.
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Here's an example of baffling stupidity:
A school embracing social distancing...
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Here's an example of baffling stupidity:
A school embracing social distancing...
Some people simply can't be saved
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Here's an example of baffling stupidity:
A school embracing social distancing...
Please tell me this in the correct thread and is not in NZ??
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Hooroo Correct thread.
This is why my sister living in Melbourne is shitting herself. Fucking aussies
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So 47 new cases in China and 'only' 4 more deaths...I really want to believe those figures.
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a look at the coronavirus medal table shows some interesting stats
the top 7 countries for cases make up 77% of the total
Italy and Spain have 26% of the cases, but 52% of the deaths.
The case numbers, recovery numbers, and death numbers are all over the shop. What data is reliable?
Switzerland is the other one that is out of whack, if on a smaller total scale.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
a look at the coronavirus medal table shows some interesting stats
the top 7 countries for cases make up 77% of the total
Italy and Spain have 26% of the cases, but 52% of the deaths.
The case numbers, recovery numbers, and death numbers are all over the shop. What data is reliable?
Switzerland is the other one that is out of whack, if on a smaller total scale.
I just monitor the German one. Germans know efficient and accuracy.