Coronavirus - Overall
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@Kiwiwomble must be slow internet at his work!
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Russia's exceess mortality:
But data released by the Rosstat State Statistics Service on Sept. 4 show there were 57,800 excess deaths between May and July, the peak of the outbreak.
The figure was calculated by comparing fatalities over those three months in 2020 with the average number of May-July deaths between 2015 and 2019. The excess total is more than three times greater than the official May-July COVID-19 death toll of 15,955.
It's not horrendous. 57k in a big country. But a dose of reality compared to the official figures.
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Sweden's 'dry tinder'.
But what happens when a country has a few light influenza seasons in a row? Just like branches gathering on the forest floor, the result is a build-up of “dry tinder.”
Interesting article and study. However I'd caution. As the EUROMOMO graphs in the article show, their neighbours also had the same amount of dry tinder.
Can see euromomo graphs here:
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NZ flu hospitalisation numbers, relevant to discussion earlier.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I wonder what role or contribution China has made in the hunt for a vaccine?
Maybe they're helping, just never hear anything.
I read about some 'non optional' vaccinations in China.
and there's this from a few weeks ago (just googled)https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53917315
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@Siam I posted a link to a Washington Post article that listed all vaccines under development and where they are at last week
The most developed are a viral vectored vaccine by CanSino Biologics; Beijing Institute of Biotechnology which is currently undergoing Stage 3 Trials and concurrently being distributed and a more traditional weakened virus vaccine also at Stage 3 by Beijing Institute of Biological Products; Sinopharm
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam I posted a link to a Washington Post article that listed all vaccines under development and where they are at last week
The most developed are a viral vectored vaccine by CanSino Biologics; Beijing Institute of Biotechnology which is currently undergoing Stage 3 Trials and concurrently being distributed and a more traditional weakened virus vaccine also at Stage 3 by Beijing Institute of Biological Products; Sinopharm
Wonder if China's coronavirus programs can be trusted.
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@Siam Hard to know who to believe given her employers were Hong Kong University and they could easily have succumbed to pressure from Beijing, but this claim has been repudiated already by a host of independent sources, the University says she's bullshitting, other virologists have come out and said she's making stuff up, she has links with Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui. All of which is enough to discredit her IMO unless other independent sources substantiate what she is saying.
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Interesting. HKU are unlikely to be influenced by Beijing - well the scientists anyway. Management may have political pressure.
My wife spent 15 years working there, interviewing scientists and documenting the research, including virology. They do know their stuff. Some of the world's leading virologists are there. It has been predicted for decades that the next pandemic would come out of Southern China. Population densities, strange menu choices, etc.
It is no surprise that a Ferner in the field has ended up there.
So I'm with you @dogmeat . She's telling Porkies (unfortunate turn of phrase - but apt given history), or her research has some serious flaws.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We agree the bat wet market thing was an incorrect origin story though yeah?
Objectively it came froma lab then. ( not suggesting anything nefarious)I'm not sure about either of those statements, nor the one below but it does seem to be bats.
How it got released into general population? Dunno.
Were they researching it and it got out? Dunno.**What is the origin of COVID-19?
It is believed to have zoonotic origins and has close genetic similarity to bat coronaviruses, suggesting it emerged from a bat-borne virus. There is no evidence yet to link an intermediate animal reservoir, such as a pangolin, to its introduction to humans.
The virus shows little genetic diversity, indicating that the spillover event introducing SARS-CoV-2 to humans is likely to have occurred in late 2019.**
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@Snowy with all due respect I'll take my cues from renowned evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein who notes that no " natural" virus can evolve as quickly as this one and that research centres in Canada and Carolina also produce corona viruses.
Again not suggesting anything nasty, just that this virus didn't come from simply eating infected bats at one wet market in a country of a billion people.
I note that you clearly stated that you dunno. All good👍
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I thought it was the Pangolin that was suspected rather than bats...
Who knows, seem contradicting reports from reliable sources on both sides aboutbthe origin.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
renowned evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein
He isn't a renowned anything, and he isn't a molecular biologist, virologist, or bioinformatics expert. He teaches at a crappy university and only has two publications to his name. He's never published anything relevant to this field.