Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..
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@Godder that was a long article that I must confess I didn't finish.
But doesn't it simply boil down to this? Nobody hates a vegan who doesn't try try to espouse his lifestyle onto anyone else.
Keep your shit to yourself, and we can all get along.
Isn't it that simple?
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@voodoo ideally it would be, but some people can't handle nonconformity and get angry at it for no obvious reason. As a young vegetarian (I was 14 when I switched), I was never militant about it or even interested in suggesting others try it, but was surprised at the amount of hostility toward the mention of the word. It seems that vegan has replaced vegetarian in that respect, but the hostility toward it is no more justified in most instances than it was 25 years ago.
That's really the point of the article - proselytising veganism is rare as a percentage of vegans, but vegans are despised anyway, even though most don't try to push it on anyone.
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My missus of 9 years has been a non-meat eater since she was 13.
Was vegan for about 10 years.
Then back to veg and now Pescatarian.
I do the majority of the cooking for both of us.
Breakfast is porridge then toast with jam, peanut butter, avocado or eggs.
She's out at work so I can eat what the fuck I like at lunch. Invariably it's a cycle of veggie, pescie, meat, and 'junk' - sausage rolls, pies, chicken kiev.
Dinner is 50/50 veggie / pescie.
My go to when I go out is pork. Belly and crackling preferably.
If I was single it wouldn't be much different.
There is no scientific evidence that a purely plant based diet is better for you.
It's a volume and quality issue. Always has been, always will be.
Been to PhD level in Human Nutrition, so not the ramblings of a drunk denyer (sp) - the other spelling looked like the quality of women's tights.
Even though I'm typing this on my second bottle of red.
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@Godder hmm. I'm hardly an expert, but I'd say the rare times I've seen any heated conflict between vegans and non-vegans have been at the scene of some sort of protest. I honestly don't think "non-vegans" would care if vegans went quietly about their business.
Maybe I have it wrong.
Personally I'm close to vege these days, not by any moral choice, more by lack of quality options and the gradual change in taste that ensued.
Maybe I'll be leading the march one day!
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@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I think hate levelled at vegans is hugely exaggerated, unless you are talking about those militantly trying to stop the rest of us from enjoying our meat
There's a group of foodies which are like born again Christians.
They're passionate. Mean well.
But you wouldn't want to spend the night with them.
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@Catogrande said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
In this regime you do not eat meat unless it is going to waste.
That's me. No dead animal I eat is wasted.
Forty years ago I started working for one of London's top family butchers. The guy was massively ahead of his time in terms of quality, cuts and what he did with meat. Ended up running his catering operation and learned that money spent on quality produce is never wasted.
Ms DM laughs at me for popping in to butchers shops when we are on holiday just for a look see.
I'm the anti-Christ of veganism. I can't abide fruit (no sweet tooth) and while I like vegetables I don't eat enough of them. I'm too time poor. The plan for retirement though includes lots of baking, preserving, fermenting and charcuterie.
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@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I think hate levelled at vegans is hugely exaggerated, unless you are talking about those militantly trying to stop the rest of us from enjoying our meat
I agree. It seems most of us on here know vegans or vegetarians and have no issue with them. It's the militant vegans that people hate. Just like the radical lefties, the right wing nutjobs, the born again Christians etc etc. Anyone that gets in other people's faces and preaches how to live their lives, while arrogantly assuming they know everything and that they are the most morally virtuous person to ever grace the earth, is going to get a fair amount of criticism and mocking directed their way.
If vegans are worried about people hating them they should direct their ire at the militant branch of veganism that causes this resentment.
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@No-Quarter if everyone would live and let live the world would be just fine
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@No-Quarter said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I think hate levelled at vegans is hugely exaggerated, unless you are talking about those militantly trying to stop the rest of us from enjoying our meat
I agree. It seems most of us on here know vegans or vegetarians and have no issue with them. It's the militant vegans that people hate. Just like the radical lefties, the right wing nutjobs, the born again Christians etc etc. Anyone that gets in other people's faces and preaches how to live their lives, while arrogantly assuming they know everything and that they are the most morally virtuous person to ever grace the earth, is going to get a fair amount of criticism and mocking directed their way.
If vegans are worried about people hating them they should direct their ire at the militant branch of veganism that causes this resentment.
And to be fair most vegetabilists look at these militant fuckwits with as much disdain as us normal, law abiding meat eaters do.
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@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
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@booboo said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
Who says it's not?
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@Bones said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@booboo said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
Who says it's not?
If you think underwear made out of meat is a thing you’ve been hanging around @Snowy too long
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@JC said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Bones said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@booboo said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
Who says it's not?
If you think underwear made out of meat is a thing you’ve been hanging around @Snowy too long
TSF Godwin law strikes my thread now!
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@JC said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Bones said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@booboo said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
Who says it's not?
If you think underwear made out of meat is a thing you’ve been hanging around @Snowy too long
Sounds like someone has their breef jerky in a twist.
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@JC said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Bones said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@booboo said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@dogmeat said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
charcuterie
had to google that!
I thought it was fancy underwear ...
Who says it's not?
If you think underwear made out of meat is a thing you’ve been hanging around @Snowy too long
it puts the sinew on its skin...