Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life we will be doing our own thing for a while, not sure how they can do things otherwise.
Open for any and all and take it on the chin?
Restrictive travel? We have the budget travellers who come for months, would they be happy in quarantine for 14 days?
Our capacity is 250/day.
Before Covid, 10,000 tourists/day arrived.
Not many budget traverllers for some time eh
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I was saying that was an option for long term travellers who might be more open to quarantine.
Oh I agree absolutely! I just can't see how quarantine is going to scale in the short term, particularly with the centralisation and control mindset of the current government. The gap between the international visitors and our capacity is massive at the moment.
Eric Crampton has written on this extensively - we're sorting our limited non-citizen returns by 'the minister likes you', rather than 'prepared to pay', and not allowing anyone to provide quarantine services at any cost. Philosophically not how I'd choose to tackle it. He's an economist, but writes a lot of sense.
Comment here
The government's whole approach on quarantine is backward. Rather than renting spaces for up to 250 arrivals per day, and then rationing those by the economic worthiness of those coming in from risky places, it should allow entry by anyone with a booking in an authorised quarantine facility. Then supply can rise to meet demand under a user-pays framework. It's just so painfully backwards and costly. And because they're focused on just how economically important it is to subsidise new Avatar movies, safety can slip. Under a safety standard, the Avatar worker who broke protocol would be deported immediately. It wouldn't take many deportations to encourage better behaviour. But because "Oh, Avatar is so very very important and Minister Twyford said that Avatar is so very very important", well, there just can't be consequences under that backward framework right?and also here
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@taniwharugby I didn't see the TV report but Radio NZ had a piece this morning about how those in quarantine are complaining because they can only go outside once a day and do laps in a very small cordoned off area so they don't come into contact with any of the public. The person in quarantine thought it was sooooo unfair. I thought WTF - it's 14 fucking days - suck it up bitch.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby I didn't see the TV report but Radio NZ had a piece this morning about how those in quarantine are complaining because they can only go outside once a day and do laps in a very small cordoned off area so they don't come into contact with any of the public. The person in quarantine thought it was sooooo unfair. I thought WTF - it's 14 fucking days - suck it up bitch.
If they don't like it they can piss off back to the disease ridden place they came from
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In more positive news I have been to my two locals the last two nights and they are pumping. Like can't get a table party like it's 1999 pumping.
Owner of one said quietly that its looking like being the best June he's ever had. They've continued with the table service as they have found it makes controlling sales much easier - keeps it steady with no queueing at the bar and they also find they can upsell and get people to buy some food.
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@Siam Didn't mean to offend you. Your wife's personal experience sounds terrible but I'm not going to apologise for thinking someone who is in quarantine here for 14 days just has to tough it out for the greater good.
I really don't understand your economic improvement comment - unless its about the entire country being effectively quarantined
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They've continued with the table service as they have found it makes controlling sales much easier - keeps it steady with no queueing at the bar and they also find they can upsell and get people to buy some food.
I wondered if that was going to happen and I like it. Quite happy to have someone wait on me than having to queue at a bar.
As for "best June ever" - my business is only down %5 year on year and that is after being closed for a month. We are catching up fast. I'm not in tourism obviously, but spoke to 2 other local business people yesterday and they are getting a bounce as well (landscape supplies and auto shop / repairs).
It will be interesting when unemployment starts to hit but so far it is O.K.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They've continued with the table service as they have found it makes controlling sales much easier - keeps it steady with no queueing at the bar and they also find they can upsell and get people to buy some food.
I wondered if that was going to happen and I like it. Quite happy to have someone wait on me than having to queue at a bar.
As for "best June ever" - my business is only down %5 year on year and that is after being closed for a month. We are catching up fast. I'm not in tourism obviously, but spoke to 2 other local business people yesterday and they are getting a bounce as well (landscape supplies and auto shop / repairs).
It will be interesting when unemployment starts to hit but so far it is O.K.
The next few months will be crucial to see if this is a dead cat bounce or if deepening unemployment starts to have an effect. Right now people are scrambling to get things done
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@dogmeat
I think strict is the contentious word at present...Quarantine
a strict isolation imposed to prevent the spread of disease.
a period, originally 40 days, of detention or isolation imposed upon ships, persons, animals, or plants on arrival at a port or place, when suspected of carrying some infectious or contagious disease.
a system of measures maintained by governmental authority at ports, frontiers, etc., for preventing the spread of disease.
the branch of the governmental service concerned with such measures. -
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hate queuing at the bar also, and have never understood why more bars don't have ordering apps.
Should be pretty easy to do really. If Air NZ can do it for coffees in their lounges then most bars should be able to manage it.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I reckon the L2 limits will go to the original 100 indoors 500 out soon though,
They might have done that already. Matakana market had a 500 max rule today (according to my sister) and 100 is already in place for inside.
Miss the Black Dog brekkies in the early days!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy yeah thats what I was alluding to, I expect they were probably looking at ways to tighten things (cull the useless ones of the Youi staff and some of thier own) and Covid have been a prime chance.
Thing is, while some insurers may have had good results over that period, not all did...plenty of cars/trucks were still stolen (I know right, people breaching lock down rules) plus were more incidents on home/contents/burglaries in business premises etc
I think some businesses have found they can operate more efficiently too (plenty from home instead of offices - we are moving into a new office building in September I think...) I know of one that operated on less staff over L3 & 2 with similar level of income...who are now restructuring
'Never waste a good crisis!'?
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If being an island and 5m population made beating the virus so super duper easy, how come Ireland has 25k cases and over 1600 deaths?
2 different political systems on the one island with no desire to put up a physical border again
Lots of contact with the UK one of the major epicentres of the virus
Ski holidays in Italy and France at the moment the virus took off
3 hours flight gets you to multiple destinations in Europe. 3 hours flight from NZ barely gets you to Australia
Cheltenham horse races at the time the virus was taking off
Not only flights but also ferries into Ireland/NI
Population density higher in Ireland than NZ
Socialising in pubs is what the Irish do, much more so than in NZAnd so on. It's a great achievement, but don't be turning into a smug self-satisfied Kiwi now please!
Not to mention Italian rugby fans over for Six Nations. When game cancelled they just went down to Grafton St and shared their unique 'charms'!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby I didn't see the TV report but Radio NZ had a piece this morning about how those in quarantine are complaining because they can only go outside once a day and do laps in a very small cordoned off area so they don't come into contact with any of the public. The person in quarantine thought it was sooooo unfair. I thought WTF - it's 14 fucking days - suck it up bitch.
Apparently, mentally, for someone that hasn't had to go to prison, it's not that easy.
My cousin was "ordered" back to Aussie by his employer and he had to self isolate in a designated hotel in Sydney. He said he was lucky as his friends and family were able to drop off supplies like fruit etc.
They weren't allowed out of their rooms for two weeks (even for exercise) and those that had mental breakdowns were admitted to hospital and then they were released they had to start their two weeks isolation again!
He said it was really bizarre when they got released after two weeks as it was midnight Friday and all those around him broke down in tears when they left the building.
Just from hearing that story, I imagine it isn't a doddle being cooped up in a room for two weeks where you can't open windows etc even for fresh air.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo I don't imagine it is at all a doddle or pleasant. But necessary.
Also for anyone currently quarantined something they have made a conscious choice to do.
I was kind of responding to the suck it up comment. I dare say it's easy to write rather than do