Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would appear that the KFC worker was following instructions as listed on the ministry's own unite against covid19 site.
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Fuck Jacinda Adern, seriously. Throws this poor woman under the bus to deflect blame and it turns out she either 1) had no idea what advice was given to her or 2) knew what was said but tried to deflect anyway. That's seriously not good enough from the PM, the amount of abuse from all the Covid Nazis that woman would have copped would be next level.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The job losses have definitely hit in that sector. I wonder how many of the 1,000 Masters students exempted will get deterred by the increase in quarantine fees...
As someone who works in the sector, I think both NZ and Oz placed too much reliance on international students. They should only ever be icing on the cake of either country's higher education system. Yet it appears both countries (I'm less knowledgable about NZ as I haven't worked in HE over there in a long time so just going by discussions with friends/media) have allowed them to become too big a revenue stream. As @dogmeat notes they were due a reset anyway.
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I would say it's the opposite! The TSF view is more negative on NZ by those in NZ than I'd expect! Although that perhaps is because it's a clear contrast to the Jacinda loving media which means she is not being properly held to account for the govt failings.
Agree with that from the outside looking in, my IRL friends, family and colleagues (of all political persuasions) are way more positive about how things have gone in NZ than what I read on the Fern.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Agree with that from the outside looking in, my IRL friends, family and colleagues (of all political persuasions) are way more positive about how things have gone in NZ than what I read on the Fern.
I'm pinning some of the TSF angle on your fellow West Islanders and the UK based night shift.
@nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
As someone who works in the sector, I think both NZ and Oz placed too much reliance on international students. They should only ever be icing on the cake of either country's higher education system. Yet it appears both countries (I'm less knowledgable about NZ as I haven't worked in HE over there in a long time so just going by discussions with friends/media) have allowed them to become too big a revenue stream. As @dogmeat notes they were due a reset anyway.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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Don't say I don't contribute around here...
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@donsteppa i know you were waiting for me to jump in, but, i am not critical of just the NZ approach, but the entire Australasian approach, mainly because this strategy always had the longest way out, and at no point has it been discussed. There is zero discussion about a light at the end of the tunnel.
I have been more critical of the State Premiers than the NZ government.
My frustrations with NZ are just of a personal nature if i am totally honest.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is zero discussion about a light at the end of the tunnel.
you'd have to think there are plans, many high level discussions, but they need to be giving the general public information as well (even dumbed down stuff, cos thats what we expect in this day and age)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is zero discussion about a light at the end of the tunnel.
you'd have to think there are plans, many high level discussions, but they need to be giving the general public information as well (even dumbed down stuff, cos thats what we expect in this day and age)
i find it is much easier to get compliance out of my kids if they see an end point, and know the stages to get there.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is zero discussion about a light at the end of the tunnel.
you'd have to think there are plans, many high level discussions, but they need to be giving the general public information as well (even dumbed down stuff, cos thats what we expect in this day and age)
i find it is much easier to get compliance out of my kids if they see an end point, and know the stages to get there.
Also gives the impression you are in control. Even if the process doesn't go quite as planned, at least people can see you have a plan
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa i know you were waiting for me to jump in, but, i am not critical of just the NZ approach, but the entire Australasian approach, mainly because this strategy always had the longest way out, and at no point has it been discussed. There is zero discussion about a light at the end of the tunnel.
I have been more critical of the State Premiers than the NZ government.
My frustrations with NZ are just of a personal nature if i am totally honest.
All of our responses are coloured by personal experience and circumstances. I think anger and frustration is never far from the surface and is par for the course right now, even if we are relatively fortunate compared to most of the world
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we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
Hope is the killer
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
you'd think the picture is so differnet now- we know where the case came from, we have tested the hell out of all the contacts, and there are no indications it is in the community. An early shift to a tentative L2 or L2.5 would be welcomed I reckon, subject to no more surprises with cases.
Not going to happen though
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
you'd think the picture is so differnet now- we know where the case came from, we have tested the hell out of all the contacts, and there are no indications it is in the community. An early shift to a tentative L2 or L2.5 would be welcomed I reckon, subject to no more surprises with cases.
Not going to happen though
The only problem is the guy who went to the gym. He is the potential spreader. If that dries up things will be looking promising for our exit on schedule Sunday morning
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan it is, but in theory, all those close contact and contact pluses will have been tested and have had a negative result back by now.
I believe the government don't want us in L3 almost as much as us, as evidenced by the unexpected 3 day exit from L3 last time
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
you'd think the picture is so differnet now- we know where the case came from, we have tested the hell out of all the contacts, and there are no indications it is in the community. An early shift to a tentative L2 or L2.5 would be welcomed I reckon, subject to no more surprises with cases.
Not going to happen though
The only problem is the guy who went to the gym. He is the potential spreader. If that dries up things will be looking promising for our exit on schedule Sunday morning
really? I respectfully disagree - the Kmart and KFC outings when contagious were far, far worse.
The headache previously was a community case with no links to previous cases. Now we know that, it's a control exercise, not a 'how the hell did this appear' exercise.
Still scary that this just slips on through without clarity - LSG Skychef, the Americold, random transmission at the Pullman, and previously the 'lift button' transfer. I'd still prefer to slide back to 2 slightly early, and then ramp back to 3 if needed.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
we were told today was quite a pivotal day in this current outbreak, and with no new community cases we see the flame start to flicker again....
you'd think the picture is so differnet now- we know where the case came from, we have tested the hell out of all the contacts, and there are no indications it is in the community. An early shift to a tentative L2 or L2.5 would be welcomed I reckon, subject to no more surprises with cases.
Not going to happen though
The only problem is the guy who went to the gym. He is the potential spreader. If that dries up things will be looking promising for our exit on schedule Sunday morning
really? I respectfully disagree - the Kmart and KFC outings when contagious were far, far worse.
The headache previously was a community case with no links to previous cases. Now we know that, it's a control exercise, not a 'how the hell did this appear' exercise.
Still scary that this just slips on through without clarity - LSG Skychef, the Americold, random transmission at the Pullman, and previously the 'lift button' transfer. I'd still prefer to slide back to 2 slightly early, and then ramp back to 3 if needed.
He was symptomatic and went to gym along with a bunch of other places. He did that for several days until the alarm was raised. That's worrisome isn't it?