Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Red regions:
Northland
Auckland
Taupo/Rotorua
Kawerau
Whatakane
Rangitikei
Gisborne
Ruapehu districtOrange regions:
Rest of North Island
All of South IslandAre you allowed to travel between Red and Orange? I need to pop into the Rotorua office on Wednesday but I'm in Orange
Unless boundaries are explicitly put up, no regional boundaries. Haven't seen a requirement to be vaccinated or negative test as yet other than Auckland. Edit: PM has just confirmed no other boundaries.
So Auckland still has the boundary on it? So they are still essentially "locked in"?
Until 15 December as previously announced.
Roger! Completely forgot about that. Cheers
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Next review 13 December then 17 January. Regions may go from Red to Orange but Orange to Green unlikely before 17 January. Fortnightly reviews after 17 January.
Regions may be moved to red at any time if pressure on hospitals and contact tracing requires it.
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Going to be fun introducing masks at school for year 4s+ for the last few weeks of term. Enough of a fight to get the little feckers to put their hats on outside, now it's masks on inside!
I like the vaccine pass idea, but since it is just a PDF with QR code on it, it is totally open to abuse. Would take a few minutes on Adobe Reader to put any old name on the top, not like they are going to be closely scrutinised and there is no record kept - so a dozen people in a row could use the same code. Oh well
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants it's EDITABLE
Really? I can't on mine with basic Foxit Reader - I can with my PDF editor, obvs. But it is easily done with free software, cover the original name & DoB with a white box, write on top, done.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Red regions:
Northland
Auckland
Taupo
Rotorua
Kawerau
Whatakane
Rangitikei
Gisborne
Ruapehu districtOrange regions:
Rest of North Island
All of South IslandI like how there's basically no explanation as to what the Red regions need to do to get to Orange. Also no indication what would allow a region to go to Green other than it's not happening anytime soon (i.e. months away).
The main differences between Red and Orange seem to be that there are more restrictions on the vaccinated, so it's almost like the vaccinated people in those regions get punished because of the unvaccinated. I don't see that doing much to motivated the unvaccinated to change their minds, it more just builds resentment in the vaccinated.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants it's EDITABLE
Any pdf is editable with the right software.
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Hone up to his usual tricks again. I am no fan of Shane Jones. But his answer to those Maori scared of covid19? "Get vaccinated". 👍
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@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
Own worst enemy
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
No, not at all and I can see why if they can't see a direct impact.
There have been studies and trials of using a system of 'consensus cards' to help with group thinking (without being leading). It kind of words by getting people to put down thoughts both positive and negative as individuals then shuffling and redistributing those thoughts and doing the process again. If people see that maybe they share a similar concern or see a similar solution then you work from that point. It's quite interesting.
Using your group as an example they may mostly share a concern that a visitor brings Covid to them or question the effectiveness of masks when they go to town. Their reasons for not vaccinating could also be shared (or be different) and they can be addressed singly without the cycles of "but what about". -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
No, not at all and I can see why if they can't see a direct impact.
There have been studies and trials of using a system of 'consensus cards' to help with group thinking (without being leading). It kind of words by getting people to put down thoughts both positive and negative as individuals then shuffling and redistributing those thoughts and doing the process again. If people see that maybe they share a similar concern or see a similar solution then you work from that point. It's quite interesting.
Using your group as an example they may mostly share a concern that a visitor brings Covid to them or question the effectiveness of masks when they go to town. Their reasons for not vaccinating could also be shared (or be different) and they can be addressed singly without the cycles of "but what about".They have a deep mistrust of the medical system, and don't see any good from it. Bloody tough to fight that
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
No, not at all and I can see why if they can't see a direct impact.
There have been studies and trials of using a system of 'consensus cards' to help with group thinking (without being leading). It kind of words by getting people to put down thoughts both positive and negative as individuals then shuffling and redistributing those thoughts and doing the process again. If people see that maybe they share a similar concern or see a similar solution then you work from that point. It's quite interesting.
Using your group as an example they may mostly share a concern that a visitor brings Covid to them or question the effectiveness of masks when they go to town. Their reasons for not vaccinating could also be shared (or be different) and they can be addressed singly without the cycles of "but what about".They have a deep mistrust of the medical system, and don't see any good from it. Bloody tough to fight that
It can be really baffling when you hear things like that. I hope that if they are in an accident they convey that deep distrust to the paramedics.
"oh, I'm sorry shall I leave you in the wreckage then? Shall I call someone to collect your body?"I'm being facetious I know but everything has a limit or a tipping point. The key is aligning it.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
No, not at all and I can see why if they can't see a direct impact.
There have been studies and trials of using a system of 'consensus cards' to help with group thinking (without being leading). It kind of words by getting people to put down thoughts both positive and negative as individuals then shuffling and redistributing those thoughts and doing the process again. If people see that maybe they share a similar concern or see a similar solution then you work from that point. It's quite interesting.
Using your group as an example they may mostly share a concern that a visitor brings Covid to them or question the effectiveness of masks when they go to town. Their reasons for not vaccinating could also be shared (or be different) and they can be addressed singly without the cycles of "but what about".They have a deep mistrust of the medical system, and don't see any good from it. Bloody tough to fight that
It can be really baffling when you hear things like that. I hope that if they are in an accident they convey that deep distrust to the paramedics.
"oh, I'm sorry shall I leave you in the wreckage then? Shall I call someone to collect your body?"I'm being facetious I know but everything has a limit or a tipping point. The key is aligning it.
I'd suggest the "key" is not holding up an entire country for any laggard, regardless of their reasons. Go to reasonable efforts to give everyone the chance, then move the fuck on with or without them.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan tbf Hone is/has been pushing for vaccinations, problem is I think they are as far down the path as they will get given how long.the Vax push has been going, with the focus on Maori rates too.
They need to realise no amount of pressure and door knocking will get the numbers up significantly, all they are doing is holding on to a false hope that they can get the required numbers.
Let's not forget, some of those unvaxxed won't play by the traffic light restrictions where they can get away with it too.
I think that is a little pessimistic. It's a generalisation quite obviously but the Maori way is not to rush into things. That doesn't mean that people won't do something just that they will do it when they are ready and sometimes it takes a while to get to that state.
There are processes of consensus thinking in many matters and that is sometimes why 'instructions' are baulked at.
It is definitely a cultural difference that people have been trying to understand how to work within for some time and one of the reasons why the initial vax programme didn't work so well and Maori leaders called for the process to be handed to them.Many more will 'get there'.
Tiny sample size I know, but my bro in laws family live in the sticks 40 minutes from Paihia. The whole whanau have no intention of getting vaxxed. And my bro in law is a doctor and he can't convince them! Not an isolated situation I suspect
No, not at all and I can see why if they can't see a direct impact.
There have been studies and trials of using a system of 'consensus cards' to help with group thinking (without being leading). It kind of words by getting people to put down thoughts both positive and negative as individuals then shuffling and redistributing those thoughts and doing the process again. If people see that maybe they share a similar concern or see a similar solution then you work from that point. It's quite interesting.
Using your group as an example they may mostly share a concern that a visitor brings Covid to them or question the effectiveness of masks when they go to town. Their reasons for not vaccinating could also be shared (or be different) and they can be addressed singly without the cycles of "but what about".They have a deep mistrust of the medical system, and don't see any good from it. Bloody tough to fight that
It can be really baffling when you hear things like that. I hope that if they are in an accident they convey that deep distrust to the paramedics.
"oh, I'm sorry shall I leave you in the wreckage then? Shall I call someone to collect your body?"I'm being facetious I know but everything has a limit or a tipping point. The key is aligning it.
I'd suggest the "key" is not holding up an entire country for any laggard, regardless of their reasons. Go to reasonable efforts to give everyone the chance, then move the fuck on with or without them.
"Reasonable efforts" is the bit that is the debate.