Coronavirus - Australia
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
they're both choices, one may cost more sure but its a choice to have children and then its a choice for them to play sport etc etc
should you not have to pay the dues/fees for that sport if you don't want to? no, there's a cost for that choice, and now being vaxxed is the cost to do that tooWhat utter bollocks.
BTW - one of the first steps the govt/ needs in establishing permanent overreach is a nicely compliant population. Looks like they might be succeeding. -
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo your friend misheard, in Dans roadmap yesterday it says 30 people in your house at 80% (pre xmas)
the roadmap also shifts the goalposts there, that 30pax number is once you get to 80% of 12+! I suspect that might prove a pretty sticky last 5-10% or so, I for one am still on the fence about whether to vax my 12yr old lad yet.
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We picnicked on the weekend. Was glorious. So thankful to Dear Leader for Her magnanimity.
The 17yo gets his 2nd dose tomorrow arvo. The 13yo gets her first dose in the morning. We're about a month away from being all vaxxed up with nowhere to go in our household.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo your friend misheard, in Dans roadmap yesterday it says 30 people in your house at 80% (pre xmas)
the roadmap also shifts the goalposts there, that 30pax number is once you get to 80% of 12+! I suspect that might prove a pretty sticky last 5-10% or so, I for one am still on the fence about whether to vax my 12yr old lad yet.
That suggests he’d given us goalposts previously
You might be right but hopefully not,
at least xmas should be better for those with families, we’re obviously waiting to hear more about international travel more than house capacities, we tend to meet people out rather than in houses as everyone has pretty small ones
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And so the state with the slowest vaccine take-up is starting to talk about staying shut until 90%
Internal polling shows...
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@mariner4life just saw on the news potentially 90% for the whole country too…
2 week shut down on construction in vic in response to the CFEMU protest yesterday, think we can expect them to protest again and In bigger numbers
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is it possible to just not speak to or listen to these academics?
Have a fucking read of that. These blokes have done a model that reckons even if we hit 80% we will need lockdowns for half of next year.
The only way to avoid that is to apparently vaccinate 90% of the entire population and stay at Level 2 restrictions and don't let anyone in the Country.
For all of 2022
A state politician just got an erection reading that
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And so the state with the slowest vaccine take-up is starting to talk about staying shut until 90%
Internal polling shows...
probably could find a link to show politicians using a pole on themselves internally.. don't think any of us would would to see it though
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
is it possible to just not speak to or listen to these academics?
Have a fucking read of that. These blokes have done a model that reckons even if we hit 80% we will need lockdowns for half of next year.
The only way to avoid that is to apparently vaccinate 90% of the entire population and stay at Level 2 restrictions and don't let anyone in the Country.
For all of 2022
A state politician just got an erection reading that
The actual report for anyone who wants to read without the Murdoch interpretation:
As an aside, I always wonder why news websites don't link to reports they mention in their stories when they're publicly available.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
is it possible to just not speak to or listen to these academics?
Have a fucking read of that. These blokes have done a model that reckons even if we hit 80% we will need lockdowns for half of next year.
The only way to avoid that is to apparently vaccinate 90% of the entire population and stay at Level 2 restrictions and don't let anyone in the Country.
For all of 2022
A state politician just got an erection reading that
In 2017 there were > 1100 deaths from influenza (not "with", "from"), a drop in 2018, 2019 back to 900 again.
In 2020 36 and in 2021 as of August? Zero.
But yeah, seems sensible to lock us up and destroy the economy and many peoples lives in other ways to avoid a similar outcome from Covid even if we are vaccinated.
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Tradies marching over the westgate...not good
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tradies marching over the westgate...not good
its pretty wild isn't it?!! Fascinating
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@nepia they were and there may be some truth to it when it was a couple of hundred yesterday...harder to argue its not their members now, but i guess theyre just responding to being shut down
edit: shit, its not like theyve shut the bridge as it were...theyre just walking amongst cars
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
is it possible to just not speak to or listen to these academics?
Have a fucking read of that. These blokes have done a model that reckons even if we hit 80% we will need lockdowns for half of next year.
The only way to avoid that is to apparently vaccinate 90% of the entire population and stay at Level 2 restrictions and don't let anyone in the Country.
For all of 2022
A state politician just got an erection reading that
'the Melbourne University research, which uses the state of Victoria as the modelled population, expects people will still need to be in lockdown for 58 per cent of the year to keep deaths down to 1000 a year (in a jurisdiction with a similar population) and infections to 320 a day.'
If my local politicians adopt this modelling as justification, I'll use my other 42% of the year hunting down the author.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tradies marching over the westgate...not good
About as productive as the CFMEU is normally.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
is it possible to just not speak to or listen to these academics?
Have a fucking read of that. These blokes have done a model that reckons even if we hit 80% we will need lockdowns for half of next year.
The only way to avoid that is to apparently vaccinate 90% of the entire population and stay at Level 2 restrictions and don't let anyone in the Country.
For all of 2022
A state politician just got an erection reading that
'the Melbourne University research, which uses the state of Victoria as the modelled population, expects people will still need to be in lockdown for 58 per cent of the year to keep deaths down to 1000 a year (in a jurisdiction with a similar population) and infections to 320 a day.'
If my local politicians adopt this modelling as justification, I'll use my other 42% of the year hunting down the author.
Shooting the messenger much? The folks doing the modelling are just stating the facts (as long as it's reasonably accurate). The politicians who make the decisions should be your game.
Also a bit presumptuous to assume you'll be allowed into Melbourne in 2022
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@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also a bit presumptuous to assume you'll be allowed into Melbourne in 2022
I've now got the urge to attend the Boxing Day Ashes Test ...
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@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Shooting the messenger much? The folks doing the modelling are just stating the facts (as long as it's reasonably accurate). The politicians who make the decisions should be your game.
Also a bit presumptuous to assume you'll be allowed into Melbourne in 2022
I don't know about that. Australia seems to be the opposite to here, in that Boris & co have consistently used the most positive models / stats to come up with their reasonings. The right approach is probably somewhere in the middle as it's been both right and the wrong thing to do.
Definitely wrong at the start with Boris & his wash your hands bullshit.
Definitely right during the summer with Sage' 150-200k cases per day bullshit.The best part of the Sage was them saying their model was wrong due to the unexpected warm summer. Right at the end of the most shit summer that anybody can remember.
The folks doing the modelling have as much as an agenda as the politicians. That part is clear. The world has moved to a get stats to prove your theory, not learn your theory by looking at the stats.