Coronavirus - Australia
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
NSW today:
- Cases UP 30,000
- Hospitalisations DOWN 82
- ICU DOWN 5
Active cases down to 278k from a high of 342k just 5 days ago.
cautious optimism?
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@mariner4life exactly the phase i was searching for, am i being naive thinking we may have peaked?
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life exactly the phase i was searching for, am i being naive thinking we may have peaked?
even the more alarmist news sites are using that word.
I'm still hoping to be in Sydney in March so it may be a different world by then. Maybe
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
NSW today:
- Cases UP 30,000
- Hospitalisations DOWN 82
- ICU DOWN 5
Active cases down to 278k from a high of 342k just 5 days ago.
cautious optimism?
I'm not even cautious. Even if we haven't completely peaked, hospitalisations are running at 0.01% of infected, and half of that are folk in hospital for some other reason.
Time to move on in this Code Red country
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In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
Are backpackers really going to come to Australia now they can save ~$500 on a visa? I'd suggest they were either going to come or not.
The students are just a backdoor to permanent migration.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In The Australian:
'early 30 per cent of the 713,000 Australians who came on Jobseeker at the height of the lockdown from March to May 2020 remain on government support'. Meanwhile the government has waived visa fees for ~175,000 "students" and backpackers to come here and work. People that were going to pay the visa fee anyway.
slightly misleading
A lot of those overseas workers will go to places like Cairns, Port Douglas, Strahan. Places that are completely reliant on migrant workers. Those 30% of people without work are not in those towns, and those towns are crying out for staff. Tourism, hospitality, and accommodation are running reduced capacity at a time they cannot afford to, just because they simply cannot get the staff required for full opening.
Are backpackers really going to come to Australia now they can save ~$500 on a visa? I'd suggest they were either going to come or not.
The students are just a backdoor to permanent migration.
no, waiving the fee was lip service, something this government (all governments really) are really big on.
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Just wow
"if you have a look at the alternative, which is what is going on in the eastern states at the moment, they basically have hundreds of people dying, they have mass dislocation in the economy, in logistics, freight, and all elements of the economy.
"They have huge numbers of people not going to work, kids not going to school, hospitals overflowing with patients, hospitals in meltdown, that is what is happening.
"It would be grossly irresponsible of me not to act on the basis of that because to do anything else without high levels of vaccination would basically mean we would be responsible for potentially lots of people dying."
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo Is anyone surprised by that? He's nailed himself to the mast of "keeping West Australians safe" in a State where the health system is close to collapse anyway. If the virus got in they're fucked.
It's the rhetoric that gets me - and the fact that he doesn't even feel the need for a target date any more. Good cover on the West Australian today:
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@higgins said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo Well that's one way of ensuring he never gets issued another visa to enter Australia again.
Lost prize money for future tournaments, appearance fees etc.
I mean none of this will hurt his brand, after all.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tiley should resign for starters. I expect that Djokovic will also now sue TA.
Well, you were right, apparently he's preparing to sue the Australian Gov for $6m, including for lost prize money
And he might not be able to play in the other slams with his vaccination status.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tiley should resign for starters. I expect that Djokovic will also now sue TA.
Well, you were right, apparently he's preparing to sue the Australian Gov for $6m, including for lost prize money
Suing the wrong people isn't he?
The Oz govt has a sovereign right to turn people away at the border for whatever reason they like.
If he was suing Tennis Oz for telling him he could come in without problems then fair enough but even then he has no right to enter another country and play so no rights have been taken from him. Sue for costs in following bad advice, sure.
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@nta Nobody has the right to enter a country that requires any sort of visa to visit or work in just because they want to. The Australian Immigration Service can withhold Visas for many reasons to stop anyone they want from entering the country. I suspect they will be able to find one to stop Mr. Djokovich from entering the country, aside from the fact that people that have been subject to a previous deportation order generally have a stand down of at lest three years before being considered for a visa to re-enter the country.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@higgins I'm not saying he has any rights to do anything at this point Just the sort of money he'd be suing for.
The special powers of the Immigration Minister means they probably don't need a real reason.
Not to mention he lost the judicial review, so has already had one court's opinion on the lawfulness of it. Granted, suing is not specifically about the unlawful decision, but no local court will ever entertain the notion of damages (whether punitive or compensatory) for lawful government action.