Coronavirus - Australia
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shit betoota have it easy these days, barely have to make anything up
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hi all
late to the party, but why exactly did Novax get kicked out? is it for the apparent mis-truths on his forms? or the fact he isn't jabbed? or the fact he's a bit of a weird fluffybunny? or a combination of the 3
i just want to know who to direct my derision at.
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@mariner4life pretty sure the official reason was the form stuff
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life pretty sure the official reason was the form stuff
then fuck him. tough shit.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
hi all
late to the party, but why exactly did Novax get kicked out? is it for the apparent mis-truths on his forms? or the fact he isn't jabbed? or the fact he's a bit of a weird fluffybunny? or a combination of the 3
i just want to know who to direct my derision at.
His vaccination status. The statement by the immigration minister says 'on health and good order grounds' and further 'The Morrison Government is firmly committed to protecting Australia's borders, particularly in relation to the covid-19 pandemic'.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life pretty sure the official reason was the form stuff
Seemed to get in a tangle that could only be 'fixed' by Minister's perogative.
- Officials told Tennis Oz that contracting Covid was NOT a valid condition for exemption
- They went ahead and got a second opinion then told Novax that he could come
- At the border they said he didn't have valid exemption, he argued that he did according to the advice provided by Tennis Oz and Victoria.
- First judge said that he arrived in good faith based on info provided and that 'experts' deemed he wasn't a risk so could stay.
- The Minister stepped in and said he couldn't.
- He appealed.
- Next set of judges said Minister has the right by law to order him out.
- The end.
Still staggers me that people believe that crossing a sovereign border is a right.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
hi all
late to the party, but why exactly did Novax get kicked out? is it for the apparent mis-truths on his forms? or the fact he isn't jabbed? or the fact he's a bit of a weird fluffybunny? or a combination of the 3
i just want to know who to direct my derision at.
You can heap derision on everyone involved. That's the best thing about it.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life pretty sure the official reason was the form stuff
Seemed to get in a tangle that could only be 'fixed' by Minister's perogative.
- Officials told Tennis Oz that contracting Covid was NOT a valid condition for exemption
- They went ahead and got a second opinion then told Novax that he could come
- At the border they said he didn't have valid exemption, he argued that he did according to the advice provided by Tennis Oz and Victoria.
- First judge said that he arrived in good faith based on info provided and that 'experts' deemed he wasn't a risk so could stay.
- The Minister stepped in and said he couldn't.
- He appealed.
- Next set of judges said Minister has the right by law to order him out.
- The end.
Still staggers me that people believe that crossing a sovereign border is a right.
From my reading, the judge wasn't actually ruling on this, he was only ruling on the procedure, and the border dept stuffed up the timing of his punting.
As I've mentioned previously the judge seems pretty suss in this, I'm pretty sure other visitors to Oz don't get a judge saying they should be provided with facilities to do their work while they're not even officially approved to be in the country.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life pretty sure the official reason was the form stuff
Seemed to get in a tangle that could only be 'fixed' by Minister's perogative.
- Officials told Tennis Oz that contracting Covid was NOT a valid condition for exemption
- They went ahead and got a second opinion then told Novax that he could come
- At the border they said he didn't have valid exemption, he argued that he did according to the advice provided by Tennis Oz and Victoria.
- First judge said that he arrived in good faith based on info provided and that 'experts' deemed he wasn't a risk so could stay.
- The Minister stepped in and said he couldn't.
- He appealed.
- Next set of judges said Minister has the right by law to order him out.
- The end.
Still staggers me that people believe that crossing a sovereign border is a right.
From my reading, the judge wasn't actually ruling on this, he was only ruling on the procedure, and the border dept stuffed up the timing of his punting.
Correct. He was denied procedural fairness by inept public servants.
As I've mentioned previously the judge seems pretty suss in this, I'm pretty sure other visitors to Oz don't get a judge saying they should be provided with facilities to do their work while they're not even officially approved to be in the country.
As to the second judgement, they only looked at whether the minister could make that determination lawfully, not the worth of it.
As it stands, he made a false declaration and that should've been sufficient to tell him to fuck off.
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Frankly, it's now pointless arguing over whether or not the authorities response to covid is right or wrong.
There is a lot to be gained by looking back at what people went through and position that with what the current situation is.
For my whole life, the phrase "lest we forget" was a cornerstone to life in NZ and Aus.
Surely it's still a relevant phrase to gauge how freedoms come about.
This doco is a reminder (and a lesson for those not nearby) of what some people in Melbourne went through. (If you don't agree with the commentary, you must acknowledge the video footage)
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From The Telegraph:
The Australian Lawyers’ Alliance issued a statement that the deporting of Djokovic reflected less the toughness of the nation’s border laws than their arbitrariness. Greg Barnes SC, the group’s spokesman, said: “One of the most dangerous aspects of the Djokovic matter is the preparedness of the federal government to deem someone a risk to public order simply on the basis of what it perceives that person’s views might be. This is Orwellian and it is deeply troubling in a society supposedly committed to freedom of speech and freedom of thought”.
“Orwellian” is right. For almost two years now, Australia has coined some of the cruellest policies ever concocted in the name of public health. Families have been separated indefinitely across the oceans, expatriates have been threatened with prison if they dared return to their own country, while Melbourne’s 262 days of lockdown were symbolised by the sight of a homeless woman on a park bench surrounded by eight police officers. The complication is that while these excesses provoke horror in the outside world, they are endorsed by most here. Mark McGowan, premier of Western Australia, has kept his borders slammed shut even to neighbouring states for 22 months and is feted as a hero.
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well, i managed to stay away from the vast majority of the news the last few weeks. Got most of it through messenger.
Seems cases are really fucking high, but hospitalisations, and especially ICU numbers are really low? Seems like the vaccine, and the vaccination rates are doing their part?
Qld is very open. International borders to follow in the very near future i believe
Tassie was pretty quiet. Quite a few tourists, but nothing packed. And it seems the locals are staying home (for instance while the first couple of days of the test were sold out, only around 9,000 or so actually showed up). Still need a test to get in i think.
Here in Cairns the close/casual contact rules smashed workforces after all teh young people caught it between Christmas and NY. Seems to be a heavy flu for a couple of days and that's it.
Interesting times but are we actually nearing the end? Suggestions that it may be peaking in NSW and Vic and even SA?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Seems cases are really fucking high, but hospitalisations, and especially ICU numbers are really low? Seems like the vaccine, and the vaccination rates are doing their part?
That's what I'm thinking. The problem is even a low percentage of cases going to hospital is a problem - where healthcare workers are isolating, it's a bigger problem.
I've seen anecdotal evidence that hospitals are getting smashed and other stories that the hospitals have plenty of beds but limited staff.
And of course there are silly fluffybunnies turning up to ER with very mild symptoms, who could probably fuck off ayway.
We then get into the "how severe is your Covid in terms of your ability to continue being an ICU nurse?"
That's the key bit - the pointy end is still dangerous for those that get there, on respirators etc, if there aren't enough staff to keep things ticking along.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tiley should resign for starters. I expect that Djokovic will also now sue TA.
I don't think he'll sue. What were costs, a few hundred K? Compared to the public reaction of him being more of a tool? End of the day, he and his agent had a massive role to play in this, I reckon he'll want to sweep it under the carpet
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The problem is even a low percentage of cases going to hospital is a problem - where healthcare workers are isolating, it's a bigger problem.
Yeah before let's say 1000 infected from delta, 75 go to hospital, 10 in ICU and 1 dies....moronic infects 5000 people, 75 got to hospital, 10 in ICU 1 dies...problem is those extra 4000 people feeling a bit shit, off work, self isolating or whatever, that's where the problem is...
My numbers are made up.
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From what I can tell from those working in the field
The biggest toll is on ambos as terrified people ring ambulances for.mild symptoms because they've been convinced covid=death. So the ambos are just getting smashed.
And considering the ramping levels at zero covid I can only imagine what a clusterfuck that has been.
Also people testing positive and immediately social-media posting their every whereabouts for the last week imploring people to get tested.
People are idiots. Although people have been gaslit in to this
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
From what I can tell from those working in the field
The biggest toll is on ambos as terrified people ring ambulances for.mild symptoms because they've been convinced covid=death. So the ambos are just getting smashed.
And considering the ramping levels at zero covid I can only imagine what a clusterfuck that has been.
Also people testing positive and immediately social-media posting their every whereabouts for the last week imploring people to get tested.
People are idiots. Although people have been gaslit in to this
Pretty much this though isn't it?
To get people onboard they had to oversell it and now it feels like people took that and made the 'safety for others' part of their belief system. I actually study this kind of shit (when I'm actually doing what they pay me for for) and find it really fascinating and scary at the same time. Unwinding it will be a bit of fun.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Tiley should resign for starters. I expect that Djokovic will also now sue TA.
I don't think he'll sue. What were costs, a few hundred K? Compared to the public reaction of him being more of a tool? End of the day, he and his agent had a massive role to play in this, I reckon he'll want to sweep it under the carpet
And I think AO tried very hard to sneak him through. He loves the tournament