Coronavirus - UK
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow The government communication has been pretty shoddy, although (and I know I keep banging this drum) the continual demonisation, dissection, analysis and subsequently spin/twist by the fuckwits in the media really doesn't help.
Unfortunately the reality is that we must assume a second lockdown, or at least semi-lockdown is coming, nationwide. Sad, but true. Hospital admissions are rising, deaths are rising & ICU / Ventilator patients are rising as well. The government is trying to avoid getting to where we were in March / April by putting measures in early.
I'm not saying they are doing a good job of it & I' m fully on board. Far from it. Just trying to add a bit of context.
Questioning and dissent is essential.
They're getting it wrong. Very wrong. And should be scrutinised and held accountable.
Hancock is treating his own MPs and the MPs of other parties with utter contempt.
Yes hospitalisations and deaths are rising but not to the levels of the first wave and as a percentage of cases they're almost insignificant.
I get that people are frustrated, and it seems yourself included.
But I fail to see what should have been done / should be doing differently. This government was slammed so badly on the first wave for not doing things early. This time, they have tried to do things earlier and are getting slammed again (ironically, from the same people).
The simple fact is that if nothing had been done, we don't, and never will, know where cases / deaths / hospitals would be. Literally no clue.
You'll note that Sturgeon, on her own advisors, has just shut pubs/resaturants for two weeks. Whats the thoughts on that? My view is that this is terrible. James O'Brien, arguably the biggest tool in the UK questioned pubs being opened yesterday and he received this response from Hawksmoor which is absolutely brilliant
Great response from Hawksmoor and entirely justified.
The chucking everyone out at 10pm is far worse than socialising in pubs. Another Government blunder based on absolutely nothing.
Sturgeon has it wrong. Very wrong.
The Government was late in the First Wave and most of the people who were going to be impacted by COVID-19 were unfortunately infected (is that the right word) and subsequently died.
Subsequently they did a better job of making care homes and hospitals safer.
Vulnerable people stayed at home. The case and death rate dropped.
The general population were let out and cases rose.
Hospitalisations and deaths rose too but most positive cases were either unaffected and/or got over it quickly.
The Government shit themselves.
They didn't follow the science and instituted the measures which were belatedly put in place in the First Wave which are not applicable now.
Now is the time to get on with our lives and get as many people exposed to it as possible.
Yes there will be casualties.
But countries which have pretty much isolated themselves will feel this brunt as soon as they open their borders.
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@MiketheSnow Agree. But remember a lot of countries (including this forum's main one) the governance message is we are shut until vaccines exist, regardless of how long that takes.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Agree. But remember a lot of countries (including this forum's main one) the governance message is we are shut until vaccines exist, regardless of how long that takes.
Indeed
UK hasn't shut its borders and has a pathetic quarantine operation so locking down its population just doesn't make sense.
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Negative result emailed through in the early hours. RESULT!! What a shenanigans though, at risk of being called Karen, over 72hrs really isn't good enough.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman @MiketheSnow I agree, simply looking at the number of positive cases is a waste of resource, how testing has"improved" those figures would be telling, as would the locations of the greatest levels of testing. I'm still not complacent about the deaths as yet, this could still escalate alarmingly. First though we would need to see the data on hospitalisations. I read today that in Paris 40% of ICU beds are now taken by Covid patients. That IS a concern should we follow down that path.
The Government has been telling us we're on the France path for almost 2 months...
Over the last two days we’re now way ahead of France in regard to new cases according to Worldometers. Mind you, could be just our shit testing regime catching up.
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@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
Negative result emailed through in the early hours. RESULT!! What a shenanigans though, at risk of being called Karen, over 72hrs really isn't good enough.
KarenR.L doesn’t quite have the same ring to it does it
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@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
at risk of being called Karen
You know what happens now don't you, Karen?
@Bones is Honey. I'm a serial killer. Kirwan eats hats. Not sure what category Mariner falls into, etc.
Things stick around here.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - UK:
@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
at risk of being called Karen
You know what happens now don't you, Karen?
@Bones is Honey. I'm a serial killer. Kirwan eats hats. Not sure what category Mariner falls into, etc.
Things stick around here.
Not sure why you'd leave out @Virgil's pussy grabbing. Especially with how much he likes to talk about Trump.
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how do i keep getting dragged in to this shit?
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - UK:
@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
at risk of being called Karen
You know what happens now don't you, Karen?
@Bones is Honey. I'm a serial killer. Kirwan eats hats. Not sure what category Mariner falls into, etc.
Things stick around here.
Not sure why you'd leave out @Virgil's pussy grabbing. Especially with how much he likes to talk about Trump.
The vortex of the US politics thread sucked me in.. now I feel trapped
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman @MiketheSnow I agree, simply looking at the number of positive cases is a waste of resource, how testing has"improved" those figures would be telling, as would the locations of the greatest levels of testing. I'm still not complacent about the deaths as yet, this could still escalate alarmingly. First though we would need to see the data on hospitalisations. I read today that in Paris 40% of ICU beds are now taken by Covid patients. That IS a concern should we follow down that path.
The Government has been telling us we're on the France path for almost 2 months...
Over the last two days we’re now way ahead of France in regard to new cases according to Worldometers. Mind you, could be just our shit testing regime catching up.
Hard to know what to read into it to be honest. It's mainly concentrated up in the so it's hardly fair to wipe the whole country out. But hey ho, guess that is what is going to happen.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman @MiketheSnow I agree, simply looking at the number of positive cases is a waste of resource, how testing has"improved" those figures would be telling, as would the locations of the greatest levels of testing. I'm still not complacent about the deaths as yet, this could still escalate alarmingly. First though we would need to see the data on hospitalisations. I read today that in Paris 40% of ICU beds are now taken by Covid patients. That IS a concern should we follow down that path.
The Government has been telling us we're on the France path for almost 2 months...
Over the last two days we’re now way ahead of France in regard to new cases according to Worldometers. Mind you, could be just our shit testing regime catching up.
Hard to know what to read into it to be honest. It's mainly concentrated up in the so it's hardly fair to wipe the whole country out. But hey ho, guess that is what is going to happen.
Sadly it’s looking more and more like some sort of lockdown and it will be interesting to see if the public willingness is still there. I doubt it.
I’m not sure localised lockdowns will be any more popular if based on the blunt instrument of positive tests. ie we have seen a surge in cases down here but looking into it the vast majority are in the 18-25 age range, coincidentally just as the Uni opened up for
educationbusiness. Builds a fair bit of resentment, especially if now the rest of us have to stay locked up dreaming of divorce. -
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Sadly it’s looking more and more like some sort of lockdown and it will be interesting to see if the public willingness is still there. I doubt it.
I’m not sure localised lockdowns will be any more popular if based on the blunt instrument of positive tests. ie we have seen a surge in cases down here but looking into it the vast majority are in the 18-25 age range, coincidentally just as the Uni opened up for
educationbusinesspiss drinking and shagging. Builds a fair bit of resentment, especially if now the rest of us have to stay locked up dreaming of divorce.FIFY. Who knows really. Staring into the abyss.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
Sadly it’s looking more and more like some sort of lockdown and it will be interesting to see if the public willingness is still there. I doubt it.
I’m not sure localised lockdowns will be any more popular if based on the blunt instrument of positive tests. ie we have seen a surge in cases down here but looking into it the vast majority are in the 18-25 age range, coincidentally just as the Uni opened up for
educationbusinesspiss drinking and shagging. Builds a fair bit of resentment, especially if now the rest of us have to stay locked up dreaming of divorce.FIFY. Who knows really. Staring into the abyss.
Look back through the thread.
Speculated that a reset-lockdown was imminent over October Half-term school holidays a week or so back.
Looks like it's on its way.
Fuckers.
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@MiketheSnow It's been speculated for a while. But there is a huge amount of opposition building to the 10pm curfew and future lockdowns. Tory backbenchers are rebelling & who knows what side Starmer and co got out of bed this morning for their position.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman @MiketheSnow I agree, simply looking at the number of positive cases is a waste of resource, how testing has"improved" those figures would be telling, as would the locations of the greatest levels of testing. I'm still not complacent about the deaths as yet, this could still escalate alarmingly. First though we would need to see the data on hospitalisations. I read today that in Paris 40% of ICU beds are now taken by Covid patients. That IS a concern should we follow down that path.
Just checked the stats for France and I sit corrected.
We're absolutely on France's path of
high testing
high positive cases
high recovery rate
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@MiketheSnow I wish I had your certainty that we’re all going fine mate but I don’t. The data we have is constantly being upped, is open to interpretation and is seemingly in the hands of incompetents. There are some data points that support your more laissez-faire view and others that put a lot of doubt on that view. I have no real idea which will turn out to be nearer the mark and I suspect the Government are in the same position. What to do? Tank the economy and do all possible to revitalise things or preside over X00,000 deaths.
Politically one will stain you for a hundred years.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow I wish I had your certainty that we’re all going fine mate but I don’t. The data we have is constantly being upped, is open to interpretation and is seemingly in the hands of incompetents. There are some data points that support your more laissez-faire view and others that put a lot of doubt on that view. I have no real idea which will turn out to be nearer the mark and I suspect the Government are in the same position. What to do? Tank the economy and do all possible to revitalise things or preside over X00,000 deaths.
Politically one will stain you for a hundred years.
Don't disagree with your take on the the data collectors.
But their narrative is being driven by the data they are collecting and presenting.
They're presenting a narrative and forcing actions on a cause and effect which isn't supported by their data.
That's what I'm frustrated by.
High spread = high cases = high deaths = lockdown
Any sane person can get behind that.
The reality is very different. Has been for months. And is being replicated in countries who are weeks to months ahead of the UK.
All in (NZ approach) or all out.
The UK middle road isn't working.
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