Black Lives Matter
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy whoever taught that never spent time in the politics forum
So true.
Not at all like a drunk guy that is in a confined space and knows that I am having him arrested at the end of the flight if he doesn't behave.
This place is just anarchy really.
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@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
With drunks, when they get on a self righteous rant you have a chance of de-esculating, but it is nearly impossible to rationalise with them. The problem is when you have to arrest them, and I think that is the difference between what you did in the air and what police have to do. I can't imagine you deprived people if their liberty? Arresting drunks is problematic, because if they have violence in them there is a good chance the violence will show itself.
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@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC See my post above about dealing with drunks. I have a lot of experience in controlling them.
Controlling them as a law enforcement officer in the states? Because I wouldn't have thought that's remarkably similar to dealing with drunks on a plane.
Or am I missing something again?
Dealing with them, not controlling them in terms of physically.
Definitely not like a US policeman who has a gun and a taser and potentially a drunk guy equally armed.
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
I think the key word is in bold. Unfortunately there's just not the capacity for that to be where a USA cop can start off at from what I can tell.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC See my post above about dealing with drunks. I have a lot of experience in controlling them.
Controlling them as a law enforcement officer in the states? Because I wouldn't have thought that's remarkably similar to dealing with drunks on a plane.
Or am I missing something again?
Dealing with them, not controlling them in terms of physically.
Definitely not like a US policeman who has a gun and a taser and potentially a drunk guy equally armed.
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
I think the key word is in bold. Unfortunately there's just not the capacity for that to be where a USA cop can start off at from what I can tell.
In this case they started off with a guy that was probably running out of patience after 25 minutes of alcohol testing before they actually tested him.
Why?
Where they started was fine.
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@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC See my post above about dealing with drunks. I have a lot of experience in controlling them.
Controlling them as a law enforcement officer in the states? Because I wouldn't have thought that's remarkably similar to dealing with drunks on a plane.
Or am I missing something again?
Dealing with them, not controlling them in terms of physically.
Definitely not like a US policeman who has a gun and a taser and potentially a drunk guy equally armed.
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
I think the key word is in bold. Unfortunately there's just not the capacity for that to be where a USA cop can start off at from what I can tell.
In this case they started off with a guy that was probably running out of patience after 25 minutes of alcohol testing before they actually tested him.
Why?
Where they started was fine.
I stand to be corrected on this, but from what I have seen of the US police in action, it seems to me that to charge someone with drink driving they have to do it on idicia. That might be why they took so long - they were building a case for indicia. From memory the cops on the video were asking him to blow voluntarily, this suggests to me they don't have the power to 'require' a breath sample. Here, and I am sure it's the same in NZ, police can direct you to provide a speciman of breath and if you don't you can be arrested. That's why we don't tend to piss around with sobriety tests like in he US.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC See my post above about dealing with drunks. I have a lot of experience in controlling them.
Controlling them as a law enforcement officer in the states? Because I wouldn't have thought that's remarkably similar to dealing with drunks on a plane.
Or am I missing something again?
Dealing with them, not controlling them in terms of physically.
Definitely not like a US policeman who has a gun and a taser and potentially a drunk guy equally armed.
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
I think the key word is in bold. Unfortunately there's just not the capacity for that to be where a USA cop can start off at from what I can tell.
In this case they started off with a guy that was probably running out of patience after 25 minutes of alcohol testing before they actually tested him.
Why?
Where they started was fine.
I stand to be corrected on this, but from what I have seen of the US police in action, it seems to me that to charge someone with drink driving they have to do it on idicia. That might be why they took so long - they were building a case for indicia. From memory the cops on the video were asking him to blow voluntarily, this suggests to me they don't have the power to 'require' a breath sample. Here, and I am sure it's the same in NZ, police can direct you to provide a speciman of breath and if you don't you can be arrested. That's why we don't tend to piss around with sobriety tests like in he US.
Yeah. I think the whole thing is "the process" for the breathaliser. It was annoying watching it.
I have said it before - change the system if it this is the end result it is seriously stupid. Add in to that he probably knew that if he was taken down he might have been unable to breathe with a cop on him (extreme I know, but it's easy to see the perps response).
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Haha Robin DiAngelo went on the tonight show and they are getting slaughtered in the replies. Their YouTube video on this is not faring much better either. Good to see lots of people calling her out for the racist piece of shit that she is.
Also, I assume they got her on as part of Fallon's "atonement" for doing black face years ago.
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@No-Quarter god it sucks that this isn't satire.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
What the hell is going on in the States?
Not only just swings...but swings put up by a black man!
God it must be exhausting inventing boogeymen all the time!
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Not only just swings...but swings put up by a black man!
Well yeah but was he paid?
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@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC See my post above about dealing with drunks. I have a lot of experience in controlling them.
Controlling them as a law enforcement officer in the states? Because I wouldn't have thought that's remarkably similar to dealing with drunks on a plane.
Or am I missing something again?
Dealing with them, not controlling them in terms of physically.
Definitely not like a US policeman who has a gun and a taser and potentially a drunk guy equally armed.
The point was that you can usually talk a guy down.
I think the key word is in bold. Unfortunately there's just not the capacity for that to be where a USA cop can start off at from what I can tell.
In this case they started off with a guy that was probably running out of patience after 25 minutes of alcohol testing before they actually tested him.
Why?
Where they started was fine.
I stand to be corrected on this, but from what I have seen of the US police in action, it seems to me that to charge someone with drink driving they have to do it on idicia. That might be why they took so long - they were building a case for indicia. From memory the cops on the video were asking him to blow voluntarily, this suggests to me they don't have the power to 'require' a breath sample. Here, and I am sure it's the same in NZ, police can direct you to provide a speciman of breath and if you don't you can be arrested. That's why we don't tend to piss around with sobriety tests like in he US.
Yeah. I think the whole thing is "the process" for the breathaliser. It was annoying watching it.
I have said it before - change the system if it this is the end result it is seriously stupid. Add in to that he probably knew that if he was taken down he might have been unable to breathe with a cop on him (extreme I know, but it's easy to see the perps response).
Just listened to 'The Daily', a New York Times podcast.
They were stating that there was a warrant for Brooks' arrest, which may explain his attempt to talk himself out of being arrested and the scuffle leading to him evading the arrest.
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Just read this
Was not aware of this story
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@MiketheSnow oh god that made me cry... ðŸ˜
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@R-L said in Black Lives Matter:
@pakman why are you sighing at me!!??
As if? Reading the article, in particular when they came to Oz to be pall bearers.