Black Lives Matter
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@siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@majorrage Pelosi was nonsensical. Literally thanked Floyd for dying. Claimed he called for his mother when day 1 of the trial confirmed that "mama" was his nickname for girlfriend Courteney Ross. A pitiful speech from a leader
"I am beginning to understand what it must have felt like to be alive in the Middle Ages when one of those hysterical outbreaks began and everyone in your village started quacking like a duck or refusing to wear clothes."
Niall Gooch, Unherd
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@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
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At least the Brits aren't as silly and obsessed as Pelosi is on race.
Oh, hang on...
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@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
Why this attitude? Why not have an enquiry? Why not seek to improve training, identify areas of weakness, try to be better? Why not root out any areas of bias or weakness?
Claiming Biden is contriving some outcome because he wants to be woke is no better than the rabid lefties bitching about and inflating every single thing Don did.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
Why this attitude? Why not have an enquiry?
Not sure if I'm reading the viewpoints here right, but isn't VM saying the same thing?
What is the point of the enquiry, when the out come, and changes made on the back of the outcome is already decided. The enquiry will have one of two conclusions
- Minneapolis Police department is fine - cue outrage, protests, looting, carnage everywhere.
- Minneapolis Police department has serious structural racism issues which need addressing - cue every single other city having protests etc asking for the same thing.
So screw the enquiry, nobody benefits.
Why not seek to improve training, identify areas of weakness, try to be better? Why not root out any areas of bias or weakness?
Why not do it anyway. Why doesn't Biden simply make this order and cut out the middle man / time wastage of the enquiry.
Claiming Biden is contriving some outcome because he wants to be woke is no better than the rabid lefties bitching about and inflating every single thing Don did.
Not really onboard with you here honestly. He is clearly contriving the outcome - but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's his job, and I think was part of his electoral pledge.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
Why this attitude? Why not have an enquiry? Why not seek to improve training, identify areas of weakness, try to be better? Why not root out any areas of bias or weakness?
An independent enquiry - absolutely. But bearing in mind his and other Democrats pronouncements on the trial before a verdict was reached, the idea of Biden setting up an "independent" enquiry is highly questionable.
Claiming Biden is contriving some outcome because he wants to be woke is no better than the rabid lefties bitching about and inflating every single thing Don did.
Disagree. Judging him on his actions and comments, Biden is no better than Trump and he'd no more accept the result of an enquiry which didn't fit his agenda than Trump would.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@majorrage who says the outcome/actions of any enquiry is already decided?
What's that based on?
I think the rest of my post answers why I believe that.
That's my belief, and if I'm wrong, it goes against pretty much so everything that the Dem's have said about the whole George Floyd case.
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@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
Why this attitude? Why not have an enquiry? Why not seek to improve training, identify areas of weakness, try to be better? Why not root out any areas of bias or weakness?
An independent enquiry - absolutely. But bearing in mind his and other Democrats pronouncements on the trial before a verdict was reached, the idea of Biden setting up an "independent" enquiry is highly questionable.
Claiming Biden is contriving some outcome because he wants to be woke is no better than the rabid lefties bitching about and inflating every single thing Don did.
Disagree. Judging him on his actions and comments, Biden is no better than Trump and he'd no more accept the result of an enquiry which didn't fit his agenda than Trump would.
Well that's a reach. You've judged him ahead of any evidence. Unless you can point me to Biden not accepting the results of a judicial enquiry?
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
I read earlier today that there was going to be a full enquiry into the practices etc of the Minnesota Police. Looking for institutionalised racism, training etc.
Maybe I misread?Why bother with a full enquiry? It's just window-dressing - we all know the outcome Biden is determined to get.
Why this attitude? Why not have an enquiry? Why not seek to improve training, identify areas of weakness, try to be better? Why not root out any areas of bias or weakness?
An independent enquiry - absolutely. But bearing in mind his and other Democrats pronouncements on the trial before a verdict was reached, the idea of Biden setting up an "independent" enquiry is highly questionable.
Claiming Biden is contriving some outcome because he wants to be woke is no better than the rabid lefties bitching about and inflating every single thing Don did.
Disagree. Judging him on his actions and comments, Biden is no better than Trump and he'd no more accept the result of an enquiry which didn't fit his agenda than Trump would.
Well that's a reach. You've judged him ahead of any evidence. Unless you can point me to Biden not accepting the results of a judicial enquiry?
I said it was highly questionable. Which based on his actions and statements seems pretty reasonable to me.
This is a bloke who brings into his cabinet people who believe black kids being taught by white teachers is "spirit murder", supports the idea of discriminating against non-black people, and whose respect for judicial process extends to pre-judging Chauvin's trial and saying nothing when fellow Democrats call for street protests if Chauvin wasn't found guilty.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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From what I read the enquire isn’t to simply say yes or no and point the finger then leave the department to try and fix.
Currently we have situations where police themselves are angry and confused because they think they are following training and directives. They don’t get told to shoot black people more than white.
What a detailed enquire may do is find where the institution either creates or supports views that enable these poor results.
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination. -
The movement swwma to be in a state of confusion following the latest cop shooting of a black person.
While it's obviously a result of institutionalised fascism and hatred (ask LeBron James) said deceased perpetrator was quite literally in the act of swinging a knife at another person.
So instead of being hailed for saving a person's life, cop is being vilified for being a racialist murderiser.
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@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination.
Well, an enquiry into the PD by BLM would also be independent from the PD itself. And we could be quite sure the outcome wouldn't be pre-determined....
Biden and the Democrats have invested into the BLM movement big-time, seeing big electoral advantage in doing so. As Biden himself said: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"
The idea of Biden setting up an enquiry which might not give the outcome he wants is about as credible as Trump setting up an enquiry into locker-room talk.
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@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination.
Well, an enquiry into the PD by BLM would also be independent from the PD itself. And we could be quite sure the outcome wouldn't be pre-determined....
Biden and the Democrats have invested into the BLM movement big-time, seeing big electoral advantage in doing so. As Biden said: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"
The idea of Biden setting up an enquiry which might not give the outcome he wants is about as credible as Trump setting up an enquiry into locker-room talk.
Yep, they are all politicians in the end.
What I don't get is the shooting down of any attempt to make things better. Of course politicians do things that they thing may be a gain for them, that's how it works whether it be BLM or taxes or housing policies.
Sometimes however those political aims are in line with what society wants though and I'm pretty sure that people want to try and make this situation better.
If the political aims help that and are the only way then fair go IMO.Some might disagree with those aims but as you said above Biden planted his stake in the ground and was supported at the polling booth both in the fucked up system and the popular vote. He therefore gets the right to follow through.
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@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination.
Well, an enquiry into the PD by BLM would also be independent from the PD itself. And we could be quite sure the outcome wouldn't be pre-determined....
Biden and the Democrats have invested into the BLM movement big-time, seeing big electoral advantage in doing so. As Biden said: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"
The idea of Biden setting up an enquiry which might not give the outcome he wants is about as credible as Trump setting up an enquiry into locker-room talk.
What I don't get is the shooting down of any attempt to make things better.
That pre-supposes Biden's aim is to make things better and is unique among politicians in not wanting to skew an enquiry for electoral advantage. Don't buy it.
Of course politicians do things that they thing may be a gain for them, that's how it works whether it be BLM or taxes or housing policies.
Yep. What Biden is probably doing with his "Independent" Inquiry. Remember, this is a bloke who hoped for a guilty verdict before the jury delivered and shrugs his shoulders when his Democrat colleagues threaten street protests if a jury doesn't give the right result.
Not even Trump had that much contempt for judicial process.
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@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination.
Well, an enquiry into the PD by BLM would also be independent from the PD itself. And we could be quite sure the outcome wouldn't be pre-determined....
Biden and the Democrats have invested into the BLM movement big-time, seeing big electoral advantage in doing so. As Biden said: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"
The idea of Biden setting up an enquiry which might not give the outcome he wants is about as credible as Trump setting up an enquiry into locker-room talk.
What I don't get is the shooting down of any attempt to make things better.
That pre-supposes Biden's aim is to make things better and is unique among politicians in not wanting to skew an enquiry for electoral advantage. Don't buy it.
Of course politicians do things that they thing may be a gain for them, that's how it works whether it be BLM or taxes or housing policies.
Yep. What Biden is probably doing with his "Independent" Inquiry. Remember, this is a bloke who hoped for a guilty verdict before the jury delivered and shrugs his shoulders when his Democrat colleagues threaten street protests if a jury doesn't give the right result.
Not even Trump had that much contempt for judicial process.
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@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
This is meant to be an “independent “ piece of work in that it is independent from the PD itself and it hasn’t been given a pre-determination.
Well, an enquiry into the PD by BLM would also be independent from the PD itself. And we could be quite sure the outcome wouldn't be pre-determined....
Biden and the Democrats have invested into the BLM movement big-time, seeing big electoral advantage in doing so. As Biden said: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black"
The idea of Biden setting up an enquiry which might not give the outcome he wants is about as credible as Trump setting up an enquiry into locker-room talk.
What I don't get is the shooting down of any attempt to make things better.
That pre-supposes Biden's aim is to make things better and is unique among politicians in not wanting to skew an enquiry for electoral advantage. Don't buy it.
Of course politicians do things that they thing may be a gain for them, that's how it works whether it be BLM or taxes or housing policies.
Yep. What Biden is probably doing with his "Independent" Inquiry. Remember, this is a bloke who hoped for a guilty verdict before the jury delivered and shrugs his shoulders when his Democrat colleagues threaten street protests if a jury doesn't give the right result.
Not even Trump had that much contempt for judicial process.
Oh dear...
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You really do have to admire these people's ability to get money out of people by pretending to be Marxist and virtuous, don't you?
A Black Lives Matter co-founder has resigned from her role as executive director amid controversy over her $3m property portfolio. Patrisse Cullors, who founded the racial justice movement in 2013, is a self-described “Marxist” but faced criticism after it was reported last month that she owns four properties, including a $1.4m house in Malibu and a ranch in Georgia. The 37-year-old says she was the victim of “right-wing attacks that tried to discredit my character,” and that her resignation had long been planned because she has a new book and television deal. “I don’t operate off of what the right thinks about me,” she added as she denied that finances had any relation to her resignation. BLM said she (Patrisse Cullors) had "received a total of $120,000 since the organisation's inception” following the 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. This was for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work.