Black Lives Matter
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Experiment: (a funny one)
Type in antifa.com into the google address bar
Don't need to click on the link.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
Experiment: (a funny one)
Type in antifa.com into the google address bar
Don't need to click on the link.
😂
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Well this has devolved quickly, doesn't take long for charged rhetoric to pretty much put a halt to balanced debate. The Isis and Marxism part came way earlier than I anticipated , not sure I will stick around for the other stuff that usually follows ( or I should say is already following). I was going to spend time countering every point but I see my original points are being ignored anyway and I will probably have the same chance as changing minds or providing perspective as I would on a 4chan board.
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@DMX Don’t give up too soon mate. Whilst there are some fairly entrenched views on both sides of the spectrum here, I haven seen instances where such views have been challenged and sometimes changed. Myself included. Most of the posters on here are pretty fair minded and open to debate once they’ve got some shit off their chests.
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@DMX said in Black Lives Matter:
My personal opinion is that it is not a core but its a great narrative for the haters. I also think its a misnomer to talk in terms of BLM leadership or a BLM platform. The people who register the name or website have the same ownership over it as Jeff Bezos does the Amazon rainforest or Tim cook does over apples. Most people don't even know who these so called leaders are. If you ask anyone in detail what Defund the Police even means I reckon you get a dozens of answers. Most reasonable people do not say that there should be no police. I have heard of taking social work duties and funding away from the police (seems reasonable). I have heard things like the police should act more like a community policing organization and less like a military unit. I have heard that reform of the current structure of accountability is needed. I don't know what the best solutions are but a fair minded debate seems in order.
If the movement has pushed corporations and people to recognize unconscious biases, if it pushes the country to re-examine policing, education and criminal justice, if it makes it easier to vote, I believe these would be steps towards a positive outcome.
I think that just goes to the lack of clarity of exactly what someone is signing up for if they support BLM.
Most right minded people wholeheartedly agree with the three words themselves, and the need to look at some of the systemic issues in some areas of society that have come to light - the most obvious being law enforcement. The step beyond that is where people (reasonably) say 'I'm out'.
I wish debates could be had but there is obviously a clear chilling effect in play. Taking the NBA strike for example no one inside that ecosystem (players, coaches, GMs, credentialed journalists) from what I saw criticized the strike on one hand for taking place at all or on the other hand not being long enough. Why is a precisely two day strike the right course of action, but cancelling the season not? You have over 100 international players from 35+ nationalities in the NBA, plus coaches and media from all over the the US and beyond and they all came to the exact same conclusion - yet in the broader community we see a wider and nuanced range of opinions.
Then because of the actions of the NBA the NHL was pressured into doing the same reportedly against the desires of a predominantly Canadian/Scandinavian/Eastern Bloc player base located in bubbles in Toronto and Edmonton.
The same thing happened in reverse with Kapernick in the NFL - and in both cases we can't even have a proper debate about appropriate forms of protest - not even actual reforms.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
Experiment: (a funny one)
Type in antifa.com into the google address bar
Don't need to click on the link.
I get antifa.com or antifa.com domain owner. What am I missing?
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@DMX said in Black Lives Matter:
Well this has devolved quickly, doesn't take long for charged rhetoric to pretty much put a halt to balanced debate. The Isis and Marxism part came way earlier than I anticipated , not sure I will stick around for the other stuff that usually follows ( or I should say is already following). I was going to spend time countering every point but I see my original points are being ignored anyway and I will probably have the same chance as changing minds or providing perspective as I would on a 4chan board.
I agree with @Catogrande. Stick around and post up the counter points.
I do see the irony in your post though.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
Experiment: (a funny one)
Type in antifa.com into the google address bar
Don't need to click on the link.
I get antifa.com or antifa.com domain owner. What am I missing?
So did I. Clicked through. It was quite funny.
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@Siam @barbarian I can’t believe I’ve just read a number of posts where you disagree with eachother as strongly as you do but you do it in such a respectful manner. Good work fellas. Eye opening stuff.
Part of me does miss @Baron-Silas-Greenback a bit though.
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@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
I think this happened quite a few years ago but definitely worth remembering Police brutality doesn’t discriminate
love it, shouldn't laugh... Very serious topic...
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@R-L said in Black Lives Matter:
@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
I think this happened quite a few years ago but definitely worth remembering Police brutality doesn’t discriminate
love it, shouldn't laugh... Very serious topic...
#justiceforgruber
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@R-L said in Black Lives Matter:
@MN5 he was armed at the time tbf..
please read the article properly @R-L. It clearly states he was unarmed when he hit the ground.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@barbarian good post mate, fair points.
There is one glaring difference between campaign zero ( who look great btw) and BLM though... I'd say there's no way blm endorse them ( would love to be proven wrong though)
Thanks for the considered response Siam.
I agree with this point, I think there is probably a distinction to be made between the BLM capital-m Movement and the broader little-m movement. If that makes sense. The former is the more organised, radical etc. while the latter is more of a societal push with BLM as a guiding principle rather than a logo on t-shirts.
The latter is what we need to be encouraging, as people look to make positive change on a local level to address historic inequality. The more organised, militant arm needs to be viewed with some trepidation.
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@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
@Siam @barbarian I can’t believe I’ve just read a number of posts where you disagree with eachother as strongly as you do but you do it in such a respectful manner. Good work fellas. Eye opening stuff.
Part of me does miss @Baron-Silas-Greenback a bit though.
Nah it's nice to be able to type out a post without worrying if he's going to come along and steamroll both you and the whole debate.
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@barbarian said in Black Lives Matter:
@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
@Siam @barbarian I can’t believe I’ve just read a number of posts where you disagree with eachother as strongly as you do but you do it in such a respectful manner. Good work fellas. Eye opening stuff.
Part of me does miss @Baron-Silas-Greenback a bit though.
Nah it's nice to be able to type out a post without worrying if he's going to come along and steamroll both you and the whole debate.
.....and then delete the response if it makes him look bad