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  • SnowyS Offline
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    @Duluth Maybe for some, and they are obvious on here, but I really don't give a shit where the AB players are from. As long as they are at least, one of the very few best at their position. The lines are a bit blurred provincially, and with franchises anyway so I just want the best guys representing the "higher honour" teams.

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    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.

    When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.

    not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.

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    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.

    When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.

    not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.

    What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?

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    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.

    When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.

    not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.

    I have felt like that about the Blues for the best part of a decade.

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    ..and of course you don't have any power in a AB selection. So your pure objective analysis won't get put to the test.

    My point was simply that in the real world people have a bias towards teams they support. That may be unconscious.
    It's a factor in team selection.. particularly on a close call

    I'm not expecting a squad full of Chiefs. However I would be shocked if it is as low as 3, which some people have predicted.

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    @Duluth So you reckon the selectors are biased?

    Probably correct. That I understand as they work with the players and know them. As you said, I don't, and therefore can have objective opinions as a supporter of each level of team.

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    @Snowy

    I think the selectors are human

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    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    I think the selectors are human

    Some people are better at emotionally distancing themselves from decisions as well.

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    @Snowy

    Better not perfect

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    Any Chiefs players selected in the team wont be because Foster has coached them at the Chiefs*, it will be if he's coached them in the ABS.

    *Aside from Cane who had one year under Fozzie.

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    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    Better not perfect

    Nothing in rugby is perfect, the laws, the refs, the teams. I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias.

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    @antipodean said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Duluth said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    @Snowy

    I'm sure plenty of people aim for that ideal and tell themselves that.

    When it comes to a close call people have emotions and they have an influence. The person with the bias will often claim they have none.

    not me, i hate the Chiefs, and would rather see most of them shot than play test rugby.

    What impact would the Chiefs beating the Canes by a million points have on that position?

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    @Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    I just want to see the best players play in the rep teams with no bias

    I agree that's an ideal that should be aimed for

    In reality that's impossible.

    But yes I'd hope there was no conscious bias from a selector and hopefully robust arguments would minimise unconscious bias. It's always going to be there though.

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    If we are looking at Fozzies history, expect barely deserving Waikato players to be selected

    Pen Sevu Reece in to the 14 jersey right now.

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    It would be a shame, given the talent available, if a player as limited as Boshier was selected for the squad. No dominance when tackling or carrying.

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    @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    It would be a shame, given the talent available, if a player as limited as Boshier was selected for the squad. No dominance when tackling or carrying.

    if he was Australian they would call him one of the best openside flankers in the world

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    @mariner4life The new Pocock!

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    @Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    It would be a shame, given the talent available, if a player as limited as Boshier was selected for the squad. No dominance when tackling or carrying.

    He wouldn't be in my squad. I'm expecting him to be named though

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    usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    @mariner4life said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

    usually the selections due to bias at least come from the dominant team (Auckland players in the late 80s early 90s, Crusaders players in the late 90s, early 00s). It would take some balls to stick your favourites from the team with the big donut in the win column in to the squad.

    Given up on the last game already?

    Who are the Chiefs guys on the cusp? Boshier and Dmac? I can't imagine outrage from media or general public if those guys are included

    There'll be pissing and whining about who misses out in the loosies and outside backs because there is so much talent. But that will happen no matter who is selected.

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