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@no-quarter said in US Politics:
I'm rambling a bit now but I guess my main point is that, as @Baron-Silas-Greenback points out, the centre has been shifting left recently and that has had a big impact on the political landscape in the States and also the west, to our own detriment.
not forgetting of course that 'the centre' used to condone slavery, homosexuality was illegal etc etc...
i understand (and share) your disdain for the awful shrieking members of the far left - particularly i despise any and all attacks on free speech - but i don't see those people in government anywhere. i see a republican us government, i see our election result, the uk etc etc. the centre right is doing just fine electorally. -
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@no-quarter said in US Politics:
I'm rambling a bit now but I guess my main point is that, as @Baron-Silas-Greenback points out, the centre has been shifting left recently and that has had a big impact on the political landscape in the States and also the west, to our own detriment.
not forgetting of course that 'the centre' used to condone slavery, homosexuality was illegal etc etc...
i understand (and share) your disdain for the awful shrieking members of the far left - particularly i despise any and all attacks on free speech - but i don't see those people in government anywhere. i see a republican us government, i see our election result, the uk etc etc. the centre right is doing just fine electorally.The identity politics that the left is pushing is closer to the thinking of slavery than anything on yhe right. As for homosexuality... the left have decided Muslims are higher up the victim ladder than gays.
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@baron-silas-greenback says the man living in a country that just had an anti-immigration 'left' government formed.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@no-quarter said in US Politics:
I'm rambling a bit now but I guess my main point is that, as @Baron-Silas-Greenback points out, the centre has been shifting left recently and that has had a big impact on the political landscape in the States and also the west, to our own detriment.
not forgetting of course that 'the centre' used to condone slavery, homosexuality was illegal etc etc...
i understand (and share) your disdain for the awful shrieking members of the far left - particularly i despise any and all attacks on free speech - but i don't see those people in government anywhere. i see a republican us government, i see our election result, the uk etc etc. the centre right is doing just fine electorally.I think you're grossly underestimating how far these neo-Marxist ideas are spreading in the west. You see ideas of diversity, inclusiveness and equity everywhere. All three are nothing more then a mask of virtue, and there's a whole lot of resentment with a genocidal element to it underneath - just look at the 100 million corpses from the 20th century. This idea that successful people are only successful because they stole from you, or more recently oppressed you - it's destructive.
We're allowing this stuff to take hold in lots of smaller but very important parts of our society - school boards, universities, even the police. The "gender pay gap" is accepted as fact by government departments and other organisations all over the place despite it being the most obviously dishonest calculation of wages you could possibly muster, yet because it plays into the supposed oppression of women by the patriarchy people are going along with it lest they be called sexist.
We really, really take our freedom for granted in the west. A lot of us are too far removed from the atrocities of the 20th century that were committed in the name of this ideology that we can't properly understand just how powerful, persuasive and dangerous it is.
You mention our election. Our new Prime Minister was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth in 2008. Fucking Socialist?! Really?? She's quoted recently as saying "Capitalism has failed us" which is an absolutely outrageous thing to say. And in the UK mad-man Corbyn nearly got in, which beggars belief but again reinforces how persuasive these ideologies are when you consider their absolutely disastrous track record.
One of the most concerning things I see today is people self-censoring themselves for fear of the backlash. Students at universities are afraid to say anything in case they say the "wrong" thing, which is fucking nuts given the whole idea of universities is to express yourself and learn to think critically. People in wider society are afraid to speak out against Identity Politics given the predictable outrage mob that will come down on them. That's really bad, and leads to bad ideas taking hold.
I know there are a lot of people that don't take this stuff very seriously, and just put it down to a crazy "fringe" element on the hard left. But I see a lot of evidence that it is far more than that, and I'm very keen to engage in this war of ideas to protect the absolute miracle that is western society today. An important piece of this puzzle is classic liberals drawing a line in the sand and clearly differentiating themselves from the Marxists. That would go a long way towards consigning these ideas to the fringe, but I see little evidence that that is occurring.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback says the man living in a country that just had an anti-immigration 'left' government formed.
Yes and ???
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The last desperate gasp of a rapidly dying narrative:
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Highly recommend this amateur documentary from the "progressive" Bernie Bros perspective that argues the Democratic Party brought defeat crashing down upon their own head.
It's long -- an hour & three-quarters -- but it's edited so brilliantly it moves right along. The contents are simply news & commentaries (the Rachel Maddows, Chris Hayes and Cenk Uygur's of the progressosphere) edited in chronological order as a prosecution that detroys the defendants.
Stolen Democracy: How the Democratic Party Lost the Election and Lost its Soul
We know from revelations in "Shattered" that within 24 hours of Hillary's epic election defeat, Podesta & Co. concocted a fabulous narrative to sell to the mainstream liberal news media-- namely, that Hillary (the Most Qualified Candidate For President In, LIke, Ever) didn't lose the election, but rather, she was ROBBED of her birthright by the eeeeevil Rooskies.
Watching the doc/collection of clips above, I can't help but think the reason Hillaryworld came up with this sensational hoax was not simply to delegitimize Trump, but moreover as a misdirection-play deliberately employed to keep media and law enforcement and (especially) card-carrying Democrats distracted looking away from the real Stolen Election -- again, namely, how the DNC rigged the primaries and STOLE the election from Bernie Sanders.
Right now Bernie is polling higher than HRC -- with Hillary supporters.
If Crooked Hillary and Podesta and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz etc hadn't rigged the nomination process, there's a better than very-good chance there would be a Democrat in the White House right now.
Put it on in the background, or watch in installments. Trust me, it's good.
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How many resources have been wasted on the Russia stuff?
Meanwhile, the same old stuff happens:
$300M Puerto Rico Recovery Contract Awarded to Tiny Utility Company Linked to Major Trump Donor
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It's a birthday and an anniversary and a reason to celebrate... a cautionary tale from the "Counting Chickens" Department:
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All starting to unravel for the Democrats. Seems like the Clinton campaign funded the infamous 'Russian Dossier', which is bloody funny.
Also the corruption about the Uranium sales...
And the cherry on top... Mueller is now focusing on Manafort, Trumps campaign chairmen.. but over Manaforts dealing with Russia and the Podesta group (Clintons right hand man), looks like the real russian collusion might have happened entirely form Democrats.This is possibly going to get juicy REALLY fast.
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Mueller has to recuse himself. So do several of the lawyers he brought into his prosecution team. Clear conflicts of interest. They're up to there eyeballs in this.
But really -- the Special Counsel should be tossed out, immediately. Obama's FBI used that fake phony dossier paid by the Clintons to get a FISA warrant to spy & surveill an opposition candidate for president, and that was in-turn used to appoint a Special Investigator into the fabled Rooskie "collusion" and "Vladimir ate my homework" narrative. It's an outrageous scandal.
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From the "Hoisted On Their Own Petard" Department:
FLASHBACK: HOW THE MEDIA WENT HYSTERICAL OVER DON JR.’S WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT RUSSIAN DIRT ON HILLARY
‘He’s going to jail’
[T]he media and many prominent Democrats fell fit into a fit of hysteria.
Trump Jr. was quickly accused "treason" and "colluding" with a hostile actor. Some said he would certainly be going to jail.
CNN's Jake Tapper said, "It’s rather momentous. This is evidence of willingness to commit collusion.”
The former chairwoman of the DNC, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "If that is not the definition of collusion, I don’t know what is."
Clinton's former running-mate, Sen. Tim Kaine: "We are now beyond obstruction of justice in terms of what’s being investigated," Kaine said. "This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason.”
Sen. Richard Blumenthal also leveled charges of treason: "As a former prosecutor, my reaction was these e-mails are a textbook example and evidence of criminal intent.... potentially a violation of the FBI, yes, treason, and it is potentially a violation of the prohibitions of defrauding the government through conspiracy, against cyber fraud and abuse. There are a slew of statutes that may have been violated here."
CNN's Bakari Sellers: "[A] threat to our democracy and borderline treason."
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Says it all really.
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Plenty to cross-reference in these threads.
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I thought this was an interesting read:
In many ways, the current situation is the natural extension of a deeply entrenched two-party system, coupled with the growing conviction that we deserve to be surrounded with, and represented by, those who match our ideological posture as closely as possible. Many Americans want to vote only for a version of themselves, with their beliefs represented in totality. It’s not enough for someone to be conservative, or liberal — they have to be your very specific strain of conservative or liberal. And those who are not aren’t just different: They’re dangerous.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I thought this was an interesting read:
In many ways, the current situation is the natural extension of a deeply entrenched two-party system, coupled with the growing conviction that we deserve to be surrounded with, and represented by, those who match our ideological posture as closely as possible. Many Americans want to vote only for a version of themselves, with their beliefs represented in totality. It’s not enough for someone to be conservative, or liberal — they have to be your very specific strain of conservative or liberal. And those who are not aren’t just different: They’re dangerous.
Bloody hell that was long.
Thanks for posting. It shows the usual Buzzfeed left wing spin, but filter that out and it gives an interesting insight. 2 of the things I think the author gets wrong.
1/ She calls many of the people talked abut as 'far right', I dont think that is true, I think they are traditional right and the left is trying to redefine middle. If those guys are far right, then Obama was far left. Valid to think that, but I doubt the author would call Obama far left.
2/ She mentions but doesn't focus enough on how the divide has really seriously started. That lays with Obama, he was the poster child for the element that wanted a massive culture war. And he filled his boots.
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