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@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Pretty clear to me Trump was only against postal votes as they'd get voting % up and favour Biden.
Yep, and voter numbers were significantly up.
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Did that in the UK. And yet pictures of stacks of ballot papers appeared on Twitter pre-election day... There's probably been some fraud but not enough to swing the result.
That's the thing. Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
But it seems the major fraud is possibly by manipulating the voting machine Like this
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
Good God man, you're still banging on about the rallies??? What did Trump get, like 10k people there? 15k?
You do realise that 150m people voted right???
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
There was an election in 2019 for Peterborough (UK) where the margin was 63 votes and postal vote fraud is generally agreed to have occurred - not enough evidence for charges. Had it gone the other way, it would have made a huge difference to votes on Brexit in the UK parliament.
It's about confidence in the system.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
So because Trump held huge rallies, Biden was involved in voter fraud?
Righto
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@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote.
They are coded aren't they? Are you saying that they photocopy millions of ballots that weren't sent to them. How do you replace them? How do you collect those? Insert ballotts how? There has to be identity verification.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
Ballot papers under whose name? They have a list of registered voters, your name gets crossed off when you vote. You can't do it twice. Yes the odd dead person might get through since the last census, but how else does this fraud happen?
It's the list of registered voters which is the problem.
It was found in the UK, that there was no way or verifying the identity of people and fictitious electoral register entries were being created in increasing numbers. Not enough to affect results (yet) but they are tightening things up.
Right so it isn't the "mail" that is the problem it is the register. How the fuck do you get so many extra people on the register? You need to identify yourself, have an address, etc, etc.
So if I wanted to rig an election with millions of voters, I would need millions of addresses, power bills, drivers licences. It just doesn't seem feasable.
There was an election in 2019 for Peterborough (UK) where the margin was 63 votes and postal vote fraud is generally agreed to have occurred - not enough evidence for charges. Had it gone the other way, it would have made a huge difference to votes on Brexit in the UK parliament.
It's about confidence in the system.
63 ain't much, but on this scale just seems beyond the realms of possibilty.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote.
They are coded aren't they? Are you saying that they photocopy millions of ballots that weren't sent to them. How do you replace them? How do you collect those? Insert ballotts how? There has to be identity verification.
I'm just repeating claims made. Supported in some cases by photos or videos. Maybe its the Russians again. Or another foreign actor
There is a claim that the real ballots have a impossible to duplicate watermark. So any fakes will be easy to identify
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
63 ain't much, but on this scale just seems beyond the realms of possibilty.
Agreed. Maybe in one concentrated area (Northern Ireland was rife) but not spread across the US.
Unless the Illuminati are involved.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
I'm just repeating claims made.
So claims made by Donald? Who is losing.
But these claims of massive fraud need to be investigated. Whether its by Joe or Donald
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Unless the Illuminati are involved.
Maybe the Russians again. Putin (Donald's mate) has lost power (that why he's stepping down) and the new lot are mates with Joe. And are helping him out
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote. For example there are claims that ballot were carried in in the early hours after polling day
So, bearing in mind the large increase in postal votes, it would make sense to think this was done by Trump, right?
Trump had huge rallies and momentum. Joe not so much. So if cheating was to be done its unlikely to be Trump doing it
Even though Trump knew alot of Biden voters would be voting by post, presenting him a huge opportunity for fraud, if he were that way inclined..or his supporters
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
63 ain't much, but on this scale just seems beyond the realms of possibilty.
Agreed. Maybe in one concentrated area (Northern Ireland was rife) but not spread across the US.
Unless the Illuminati are involved.
I think that my illuminati post was removed from this thread so not going there...and I was taking the piss. My bad.
@Winger said in US Politics:
But these claims of massive fraud need to be investigated. Whether its by Joe or Donald
I agree with the sentiment, but is there actually any evidence of mass fraud? And again how do they do it on a large scale?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Maybe the Russians again. Putin (Donald's mate) has lost power (that why he's stepping down) and the new lot are mates with Joe. And are helping him out
This has to be the funniest Fern post for quite some time.....
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@Godder said in US Politics:
Maybe, just maybe, Joe was more popular than his party and won.
And, as I was explaining to my daughter: a lot of people voting Republican aren't doing it for Trump. They might have really good local GOP representation or simply be better off in the last few years than they were in Obama's time for reasons completely unrelated to the presidency.
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