All Blacks 2021
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
He was very effective at crash ball running for the NZ U20s from 12. Obviously a number of years ago, against much less effective defenses. But I think he has that ability.
He also put in a lot of very dominant hits, from memory.
Yeah, I'm just not convinced that a guy that grew up as a 10 but was an unusual size as a 19 year old and used at 12 for a dozen or so games at age grade and semi-pro level is a definite option at pro and test level.
If the Canes ran him there for a season and he was good then I'd jump on that train but to declare him an option now is OTT. -
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
MF? Why would Foster give him a go at 12 when his franchise coach won't?
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
Maybe if Razor was AB coach as he wanted JB to play 12 which he did every start in NPC for Canterbury in his debut year..
In the 2016 NPC - 6 starts at fullback, 4 at 12 and 1 at 13 (plus 1 game as a sub)
It was the u20s where he was always at 12
Ahhh true well more chances in the MF than with Foster anyway.
MF? Why would Foster give him a go at 12 when his franchise coach won't?
Didn’t say he would just that Foster will not.
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition. -
Well where would you rank the top FBs in NZ? I'm assuming most would put JB at #1 or #2..
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
Well where would you rank the top FBs in NZ? I'm assuming most would put JB at #1 or #2..
I think it's horses for courses with JB, DMac and Jordan and totally depends on the gameplan IMO.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition.Yup, I'm not saying it as proof he should be ABs midfielder this season. But I think it is a pretty fucking impressive feat!
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
He's played for the ABs in every position from 10 up. Not started all (10, 11, 14, 15) but moved into 12 & 13 with substitutions
10 was against Namibia FFS.
I can't recall him being moved to centres for any period so assume it was during the last 5 minute shuffle-arounds that happen against weak opposition.Yup, I'm not saying it as proof he should be ABs midfielder this season. But I think it is a pretty fucking impressive feat!
Marc Ellis like
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
I know that JB has played 12 before but I still struggle trying to picture him in that jersey when I watch his go to style of play.
He tends to run at angles and try to go around people. Doesn't show much of a step or crash.
Probably due to his playing at 15 but his passing game isn't a standout either.As said above, I wouldn't be upset at him being given a try there to show what he would bring but I just feel is is a better player with a bit of a wind up.
He was very effective at crash ball running for the NZ U20s from 12. Obviously a number of years ago, against much less effective defenses. But I think he has that ability.
He also put in a lot of very dominant hits, from memory.
Yeah, I'm just not convinced that a guy that grew up as a 10 but was an unusual size as a 19 year old and used at 12 for a dozen or so games at age grade and semi-pro level is a definite option at pro and test level.
If the Canes ran him there for a season and he was good then I'd jump on that train but to declare him an option now is OTT.Agreed. I don't want him thrown in at 12 for the ABs either (this year). If he is going to switch to 12 it needs to be a fairly permanent decision that starts at SR level.
I think he could swap but obviously we'd need to try at lower levels and evaluate how he goes before thinking about the ABs.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
So off the back of SRA and considering injuries, I'm thinking I'd like to see given a go:
Frizzel
Papalii
JacobsonWith Ioane on the bench maybe. But then again Blackadder and Sanders have really put their hands up and of course there's Robinson...
Thought Jacobson was ace tonight
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
So off the back of SRA and considering injuries, I'm thinking I'd like to see given a go:
Frizzel
Papalii
JacobsonWith Ioane on the bench maybe. But then again Blackadder and Sanders have really put their hands up and of course there's Robinson...
Thought Jacobson was ace tonight
Certainly plays above his size and I'll bang my drum again - he's the closest thing to "good Read" in NZ rugby.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
So off the back of SRA and considering injuries, I'm thinking I'd like to see given a go:
Frizzel
Papalii
JacobsonWith Ioane on the bench maybe. But then again Blackadder and Sanders have really put their hands up and of course there's Robinson...
I'd have Akira Ioane as a starter.
He's the incumbent.
Frizzel has to win back the spot by proving himself at international level, not just Super level. -
@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
So off the back of SRA and considering injuries, I'm thinking I'd like to see given a go:
Frizzel
Papalii
JacobsonWith Ioane on the bench maybe. But then again Blackadder and Sanders have really put their hands up and of course there's Robinson...
I'd have Akira Ioane as a starter.
He's the incumbent.
Frizzel has to win back the spot by proving himself at international level, not just Super level.How does one prove oneself by not playing? Interesting he's the incumbent on one game, guess Jordie is a shoe in for the wing!
Ioane is the much better bench player.
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@bones I’d have to jump on @Stargazers bandwagon with Devan Flanders. He looks like the most natural 8 we have in NZ, he’s just so damn young and needs more time before we talk about higher honours. Agree though, Jacobson is playing out of his skin atm and I wouldn’t mind him at 8 for the ABs, with Ardie most likely getting the 7 jersey.
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@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
I'd have Akira Ioane as a starter.
Yep. . He seems to have got his head together and was impressive last year in Black. Though I don't think he's the incumbent just yet, he deserves an opportunity to become that.
@Canes4life I’d have to jump on @Stargazers bandwagon with Devan Flanders.
Have to agree - looks a real talent. Def. one to watch and be nurtured.
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Its plain crazy if Razor isnt drafted in asap.
Give the captaincy to a Cantab as well and this is from a Hurricane supporter.
Next get a top business manager in, give them a decent profit share for a wage and start running this business from ABs to grass roots without giving the equity away -
