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Tim

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NTA

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35425735'>Sweden 'to expel up to 80,000 failed asylum seekers'</a>
 
 
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Anders Ygeman said that charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants over several years.
"We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000," Swedish media quoted him as saying.
Some 163,000 migrants applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest per capita number in Europe.
Of the approximately 58,800 cases processed last year, 55% were accepted.

JC

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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35425735'>Sweden 'to expel up to 80,000 failed asylum seekers'</a>
 
 
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Anders Ygeman said that charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants over several years.
"We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000," Swedish media quoted him as saying.
Some 163,000 migrants applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest per capita number in Europe.
Of the approximately 58,800 cases processed last year, 55% were accepted.
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Yikes. So how does that work? Will a planeload of disaffected blokes just sit quietly on the plane while it flies them somewhere they don't want to be while saying something like "TillrÃ¤ckligt rÃ¤ttvis Guv, det Ã¤r en rÃ¤ttvis cop" in Swedish? I don't like their chances of doing that 400 times without incident.

gollum

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Yikes. So how does that work? Will a planeload of disaffected blokes just sit quietly on the plane while it flies them somewhere they don't want to be while saying something like "TillrÃ¤ckligt rÃ¤ttvis Guv, det Ã¤r en rÃ¤ttvis cop" in Swedish? I don't like their chances of doing that 400 times without incident.
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From what I've seen you can pack them really tightly on a boat. Its like, 2 trips of the InterIslander. 3 tops

Catogrande

Yes Sweden. Good luck in finding those 80,000 illegal immigrants. Restraining them, keeping them contained and then shipping them out. After all we are talking law abiding, people respective of your national mores. Plus of course it's not like you've pre-warned them at all is it?

jegga

On the plus side Sweden seems to have finally woken up to the problems these shitheads are creating in their country . Whatever trouble these scumbags cause when they round them up are going to harden the authorities attitudes against them , I sense tazing and police dog bites in their immediate futures before they get shipped off to whatever Middle eastern shithole they came from.

gollum

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On the plus side Sweden seems to have finally woken up to the problems these shitheads are creating in their country . Whatever trouble these scumbags cause when they round them up are going to harden the authorities attitudes against them , I sense tazing and police dog bites in their immediate futures before they get shipped off to whatever Middle eastern shithole they came from.
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Trouble is the tide will turn REALLY fast the first time it gets shown on telly. One guy cowering in front of a police dog as some kids cry while being held by a woman. They probably wont even be his kids. Get that photo, stick it on the front page & game over. Its like getting a shot of a dead toddler washed up on a beach.
 
People want them deported. But nicely. And you can't forcibly deport people nicely. Western society is still too soft to deal with that shit, and yet we can't help demand the press show it to us. Internment camps in the west only worked because the public didn't know about them. Soft fluffybunnies.

jegga

I'm not so sure about that anymore with the way they've behaved over the years and it's escalated as more of them turned up . I think its just aslikely to be gangs of Arab scumbags throwing rocks at riot police when they come to deport a hate preacher . 
If they get tazed and deported too for being thugs I'm struggling to see a downside .

Rancid Schnitzel

Now if this had been done before the new year's molestathon the screams of racism would have been deafening. 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418820/Cologne-carnival-organisers-hand-leaflets-telling-migrants-not-rape-women-urinate-public-wake-New-Year-sex-attacks.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418820/Cologne-carnival-organisers-hand-leaflets-telling-migrants-not-rape-women-urinate-public-wake-New-Year-sex-attacks.html</a> 
I think this situation has reached a turning point. Not only have people in Sweden and Germany suddenly realised the insanity of this policy, it seems many of these "refugees" realise that they've been sold a lemon.

jegga

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Now if this had been done before the new year's molestathon the screams of racism would have been deafening. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418820/Cologne-carnival-organisers-hand-leaflets-telling-migrants-not-rape-women-urinate-public-wake-New-Year-sex-attacks.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418820/Cologne-carnival-organisers-hand-leaflets-telling-migrants-not-rape-women-urinate-public-wake-New-Year-sex-attacks.html</a> 
I think this situation has reached a turning point. Not only have people in Sweden and Germany suddenly realised the insanity of this policy, it seems many of these "refugees" realise that they've been sold a lemon.</blockquote>
 
Ffs.

No Quarter

That's insane.

NTA

Yep. Massive cultural disconnect there. Should have been handing those out before they landed in Greece.

NTA

All that said, this is NEVER cool:
 
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">A GROUP of masked men believed to belong to a Neo-Nazi gang stormed Swedenâ€™s main train station and bashed foreigners, including children, to â€œpunishâ€ migrants over the weekend.
Wearing all-black balaclavas and armbands, the men â€œgathered (in Stockholm) with the purpose of attacking refugee children,â€ Stockholm police spokesperson Towe Hagg said.
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html'>The Independent</a> reported that â€œhundreds of masked men marched through Stockholmâ€™s main train station on Friday evening, reportedly beating up refugees and anyone who didnâ€™t appear to be ethnically Swedishâ€.
â€œI saw maybe three people who were beaten. That was no football brawl or something similar. They targeted migrants. I was quite scared and ran away,â€ a witness told the Aftonbladet newspaper.
The paper quoted another witness as saying:
â€œI was passing by and saw a masked group dressed in black ... start hitting foreigners. I saw three people molestedâ€œ.
The Swedish Resistance Movement, a Neo-Nazi group, carried out a number of assaults on migrants in Stockholm on Friday amid rising tension over the countryâ€™s refugee influx, Swedish police said Saturday.
The Swedish Resistance Movement claimed responsibility for the attacks in a<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.nordfront.se/huliganer-spoar-kriminella-invandrare-i-centrala-stockholm.smr'>statement</a> online:
â€œToday were therefore 200 Swedish men to mark the North African â€œstreet childrenâ€ raging around the capitalâ€™s main railway station,â€ it read.
â€œPolice have clearly shown that they lack the means to repress their progress and we now see no other alternative than to hand out punishments they deserve.â€
Police had beefed up their presence in the city centre, deploying anti-riot and helicopter units after learning that extremists were planning â€œaggression on unaccompanied migrant minorsâ€ in the city late on Friday.
Police spokesman Towe Hagg said by midday police had not received any complaints of assault but one 46-year-old man was arrested after striking a plainclothes officer.
Swedish Interior Minister Anders Ygeman condemned the â€œracist groups which threaten and spread hate in the public spaceâ€, adding that â€œone must respond stronglyâ€.
â€œThis is a disturbing trend in society,â€ Ygeman said in a commentary published by news agency TT.
Three further people were briefly detained for public order disturbances and one more faces charges for carrying a knife.
As many as 100 people, their faces covered, had descended early Friday evening on the Sergels Torg pedestrian square, a popular meeting point for young people, including migrant youths.
Aftonbladet quoted witnesses as saying the masked group targeted â€œpeople of foreign appearanceâ€ and handed out leaflets urging the infliction of â€œdeserved punishment on children of the North African street.â€ The website Nordfront, an online forum for the Neo-Nazi SMR movement, said its â€œsourcesâ€ had revealed that around â€œ100 hooligansâ€ from the AIK and Djurgarden football clubs had gathered Friday in order to â€œsort out the criminals coming in from North Africa.â€ After initially taking a generous stance on migration â€” the country of 9.8 million is among the European Union states with the highest proportion of refugees per capita â€” Sweden has in recent days said it expects to expel tens of thousands of people over several years as it struggles to cope with the influx.
Booed by dozens of â€œanti-fascistâ€ activists, some 200 people gathered in Stockholm on Saturday to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Stefan Lofven as well as the acceleration of migrant deportations, an AFP journalist said.
The number of new migrants entering the country has plunged since Stockholm on January 4 introduced systematic photo ID checks on train, bus and ferry passengers coming in via Denmark.
The toughening of policy comes against a backdrop of rising concern over conditions in the countryâ€™s overcrowded asylum facilities.
Officials also called for greater security after an employee at a refugee centre for unaccompanied youths was fatally stabbed earlier this week.
After initially taking a generous stance on migration â€” the country of 9.8 million is among the European Union states with the highest proportion of refugees per capita â€” Sweden has in recent days said it expects to expel tens of thousands of people over several years as it struggles to cope with the influx.
The number of new migrants entering the country has plunged since Stockholm introduced systematic photo ID checks on travellers on January 4.
The toughening of policy comes against a backdrop of rising concern over conditions in the countryâ€™s overcrowded asylum facilities, and officials called for greater security after an employee at a refugee centre for unaccompanied youths was fatally stabbed earlier this week.
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jegga

Not cool but inevitable , this has been building in Sweden for a while. Here's a fantastic rant from a refugee about other refugees in Sweden 
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NTA

Yep. And no doubt those levels of immigration are unsustainable. 
You have to wonder what the political play is for Sweden's parties - in Australia there are only two sides to the story. But eight parties? I'd suggest the stretch for grabbing votes and making agreements with other parties to get power, has led to that situation. 
I've got a mate in Sweden who works with immigrants. Will see what he thinks.

Rancid Schnitzel

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Yep. And no doubt those levels of immigration are unsustainable. 
You have to wonder what the political play is for Sweden's parties - in Australia there are only two sides to the story. But eight parties? I'd suggest the stretch for grabbing votes and making agreements with other parties to get power, has led to that situation. 
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Nah, even the right of centre parties in Sweden are to the left of labour parties in many countries. The previous PM (part of the so-called conservative bloc) was banging on about how much space there was in Sweden for more migrants. 
It's an interesting place. They avoided WW2 and grew rich and appear to have been apologizing for it ever since.

NTA

Mate's response to that video: 

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How does one analyse this... If I were to start with the politics. It is true that calling a spade a spade has been nigh on impossible in Swedish politics. No-one outside of the Sweden Democrats want to fuel their fire. 
The result: The Sweden Democrats are now the third largest party. For the same reason nobody wanted to acknowledge that there was a limit to the number of asylum seekers we could accept per year until all of a sudden we had almost 160,000 last year and it became a fact. Again the Sweden Democrats grow because the other politicsl parties have had to finally do something (albeit less radical) that the Sweden Democrats have said all along. 
Sweden's resource problem is a pile of shit. We DO have a massive housing shortage due to incredibly complex building regulations but Sweden's work force is decreasing by 65,000 persons per year due to pensions and lower birth rates so we actually need to import labour. 
This massive wave of immigrants also cost the Swedish tax payer billions. But where did the money go? To wages for the thousands of people who have gotten jobs taking care of immigrants and asylum seekers. Whereas the rest if Europe is stagnating Sweden's GDP is growing with leaps and bounds. 
Are there loads of arses among the asylum seekers? Yep. Are there doctors, engineers and future nobel prize winners? Yep. Basically people in other words. 
Do I think that shaking hands and respecting equality among the sexes is more important than religious and cultural beliefs? Hell yeah. I'm looking forward to the case where the immigrant's plea of religious and ethnic discrimination is put up against gender discrimination. 
Oh... And the rape thing? Bullshit. Sexual harrasment by foreign male youth against young girls appears to be all too true though. 
Also interesting is that although Sweden is growing and growing the number of murders remain steady around 90 since the 90s.
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 This mate of mine was born in Sweden to Swedish parents, then they split and his Dad moved out here (Uni lecturer), so he did years between Australia and Sweden. Met him at Uni. 
He works in social services and with a lot of migrants directly, including resettling. Sees a lot of bullshit go down. His opinion is far more valid than mine, being on the ground and all. And of course, it isn't the whole story, but he makes some good points.

Rancid Schnitzel

I see he mentions the Swedish Democrats. When they did so well at the last election the newspaper Aftonbladet printed a completely black front page. They were obviously completely oblivious to the fact that their arrogance and stupidity regarding open door immigration had been a major contribution to the rise of SD. 
What was this rape bullshit he was referring to?

NTA

Dunno - I thought he was referencing the video (I can't be bothered watching it again) but maybe it was to do with something else related to the issue.
 
Or it was on one of the newspaper pages that came up in the vid. I don't read Swede so couldn't tell you.

Rancid Schnitzel

Just watched video. The mangina capital of Europe is a pretty apt description. 
He must have been referring to the rape capital of Europe remark. I've no doubt that there is some serious hyperbole about rapes in Sweden. However, there are some pretty shocking stats there. 
One thing the Angry Foreigner noted was that those screaming the most about racism and advocating open door immigration tend to live in lily-white areas with barely a foreigner in sight. Id imagine there are more than a few countries where the fervent multiculturalist "elite" don't actually live anywhere near the kind of thriving melting pots they're so passionate about. Funny that.

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