Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..)
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@mantissanet said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
Can’t leave Ardie out… he is mad good. What he lacks in beef at 8 is only measured on a scale IMO.
And at 15 you guys are spoilt fullstop….I wouldn’t moan too much
In the last 3-4 years Hansen, (& by extension Foster) have been afraid of making tough calls at 10, 12/13, in the back-row, back-three, etc.. at the risk of damaging egos have been forced to strike a compromise by selecting certain players out of position rather than benching them.
It should be one or the other, but Foster is sentimental with certain players & is seemingly too afraid to make tough calls, hence he'd rather play someone like Ardie or Beauden out of position than potentially damage some egos by dropping them to the reserves (playing in different roles which could potentially be more beneficial towards the team's overall performance).
Having 4 play-makers (B.Barrett, McKenzie J.Barrett, Mo'unga) all in the same 23 is completely unnecessary & hurts the balance of the team.
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There are actually five (if you count Jordie) as Havili is a playmaker too.
Either way, the point about too many playmakers is fair.
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The thread title brings memories of 6th form English essays…
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@billy-tell this guy flaunting his higher education
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@kiwi_expat Apparently you don’t seem too keen on settled combos?? If players aren’t playing as combos together regularly… some brilliant individual skills will invariably be lost don’t you think?….ok …apologies … ignore….😳
12-13 rules here. And the speed he offers to them is unquantifiable IMO
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@kiwi_expat said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@mantissanet said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
Can’t leave Ardie out… he is mad good. What he lacks in beef at 8 is only measured on a scale IMO.
And at 15 you guys are spoilt fullstop….I wouldn’t moan too muchIn the last 3-4 years Hansen, (& by extension Foster) have been afraid of making tough calls at 10, 12/13, in the back-row, back-three, etc.. at the risk of damaging egos have been forced to strike a compromise by selecting certain players out of position rather than benching them.
It should be one or the other, but Foster is sentimental with certain players & is seemingly too afraid to make tough calls, hence he'd rather play someone like Ardie or Beauden out of position than potentially damage some egos by dropping them to the reserves (playing in different roles which could potentially be more beneficial towards the team's overall performance).
Having 4 play-makers (B.Barrett, McKenzie J.Barrett, Mo'unga) all in the same 23 is completely unnecessary & hurts the balance of the team.
When do we stop saying Ardie is “out of position” at no.8 when he has played more there for the Canes and ABs in the last 3 seasons than he has at openside.
I seriously think that last week and this team some of the selections are forced on us because of injury and game fitness.
Just on the playmakers, let’s not forget that Hansen also played Carter, Cruden and Beaudie all in the same 22/23 on several occasions. Add in Bender and Dagg who also liked to come into the line to create/play make also. That was pretty successful.
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@kiwi_expat sounds like you have Jordies cock stuck down your throat. Open the other eye and look at the good Dmac does and the mistakes that Jordie makes for once you guys. Neither are perfect, neither are bad players. Both have their different attributes. The coach deems one as the better fit #15 for our team. And that coach knows a bit more about rugby than the rest of us.
I’m sick of some of you eye-patch “supporters” hating on certain players and cherry picking everything about them. Look at them from a fair perspective and open the other eye. The person you put on a pedi stool makes a shit load of mistakes too but you would never acknowledge it because it doesn’t support your agenda.
That has been my Ted talk.
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@yeahtheboys said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
pedi stool
I think this is the highest value offering from your post. I want one.
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@mantissanet said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
Can’t leave Ardie out… he is mad good.
And that's exactly the problem isn't it. Foster knows he is good, as we all do, but sticking him in at the starting 8 just to get him on the field isn't the right answer when its detrimental to the balance of the team.
Good post @kiwi_expat - totally agree
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@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@yeahtheboys said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
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I think this is the highest value offering from your post. I want one.
Pedi (foot) stool
https://www.bigsave.co.nz/product-category/sofas/footstools/
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@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell this guy flaunting his higher education
English 6th Form Certificate - Final Exam, third term: All Blacks (30 points)
Candidates are required to discuss the following topic "Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..)"
Candidates have 60 minutes in which to formulate their response. Word limit 1000 words. Marks will be awarded for clear structure, original ideas and sound reasoning. Any references must be cited at the end of the essay. Black or blue-point pen only. Any corrections should be clearly indicated.
Yeah nah.
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@billy-tell said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell this guy flaunting his higher education
English 6th Form Certificate - Final Exam, third term: All Blacks (30 points)
Candidates are required to discuss the following topic "Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..)"
Candidates have 60 minutes in which to formulate their response. Word limit 1000 words. Marks will be awarded for clear structure, original ideas and sound reasoning. Any references must be cited at the end of the essay. Black or blue-point pen only. Any corrections should be clearly indicated.
Yeah nah.
NCEA 2 old man 😜
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@machpants said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell this guy flaunting his higher education
English 6th Form Certificate - Final Exam, third term: All Blacks (30 points)
Candidates are required to discuss the following topic "Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..)"
Candidates have 60 minutes in which to formulate their response. Word limit 1000 words. Marks will be awarded for clear structure, original ideas and sound reasoning. Any references must be cited at the end of the essay. Black or blue-point pen only. Any corrections should be clearly indicated.
Yeah nah.
NCEA 2 old man 😜
Is that the new system where you get a little gold star and a “good work” sticker for participating?
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@billy-tell said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@machpants said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@billy-tell this guy flaunting his higher education
English 6th Form Certificate - Final Exam, third term: All Blacks (30 points)
Candidates are required to discuss the following topic "Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..)"
Candidates have 60 minutes in which to formulate their response. Word limit 1000 words. Marks will be awarded for clear structure, original ideas and sound reasoning. Any references must be cited at the end of the essay. Black or blue-point pen only. Any corrections should be clearly indicated.
Yeah nah.
NCEA 2 old man 😜
Is that the new system where you get a little gold star and a “good work” sticker for participating?
And you can't use red pen to mark it.
Both my boys have passed this year already (level 1 and 3), and they've not even sat their externals. Easy life
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@yeahtheboys said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
I’m sick of some of you eye-patch “supporters” hating on certain players and cherry picking everything about them.
I don't think that's the case though. @kiwi_expat has clearly set out why he thinks both Ardie and DMac are undersized. Not being parochial at all - but assessing what they see in the game.
I don't disagree. Jordie's size and boot offers something different. We should be looking at how we'll go against physically confrontational teams - and when you get into that battle (on a good day England, SA, Lions, Aus , France) then size does become important. So I have sympathy for the view -and I think DMac brings a lot to the table, particularly off the bench. You can't coach speed, and he's got it.
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DMac’s best position is probably 10, not that different a player than RM. awesome with front foot ball, probably edges RM at super level at kicking a team around the park.
Neither has shown that ability at Test level, but score or set up exciting trys. If plan A doesn’t work, cupboard is bare.
Similar goal kicking too.
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@bones said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
@yeahtheboys said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
pedi stool
I think this is the highest value offering from your post. I want one.
Here you go honey:
As for some of the rest of it, esp about weight, Jacobson is only a few kg heavier (if you believe any of the weights on the internet). Some players also punch well above their weight in terms of impact. Sam Cane is one of them.
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@yeahtheboys said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
have Jordies cock stuck down your throat.
Yeah nothing “eye patch” about that one. I’d say zero self-awareness but that would be far too kind.
On the Ardie thing. He’s not out of position at 8 any more because he plays there so often. But he’s not the best test level option there. Imho that’s Jacobsen. Ardie is a brilliant bench option though.
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@kiwi_expat said in Hansen/Foster's recent selection philosophy & the consequences it has on team balance (back-row, back-three, bench etc..):
Spencer-like players in McKenzie & B.Barrett for their dual-playmaker axis in 2018 over Mo'unga
ah, Richie Mo'unga is the Carlos Spencer you buy from Wish
